Carl Froch vs Roy Jones jr ... Prime for Prime

and why did Roy lose athleticism. Was it natural decline?

 

I hate Froch, but I think it's pretty obvious he KO's Roy in 8. On the other hand, I can see a prime Lacy taking a UD or late TKO against the Cobra.

Funnily enough, though, I'm pretty sure a prime Bika would take a split decision against Froch, which actually should have been more like a UD 116-112 decision for Bika, only for a Belgian judge calling the fight terribly and disgracing the good name of Belgium.

 

Are you new to the sport or what?

 

Prime Jones get Koed by Froch ?:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Lol good one.

 

What? :huh
Most ******ed post i have ever see. As much as i love Froch he would be a sitting duck against Roy. Slow plodding, no balance, technically almost useless. Heart and a chin wouldnt win him a fight against Roy.
The part with Bika i dont want to comment either.:dead

 

hes from maida vale.

 

If there's one fighter who could stop Froch it's Jones.

Jones in 8, earlier if he's in the mood.

 

There is no way in hell Froch wins. Groves was having a lot of success countering Froch, and while Froch was being patient with Groves and waited for the opportunity, Jones wouldn't have given him one and Froch would be out of balance and overextending the whole night trying to catch Jones and consistently missing while being hit from everywhere.

 

Jones would be clear favourite but you can't write Carl off in ANY fight. First I thought Bute would easily get rid of him in their fight, Carl found a way to win. Then I thought the rematch between FRoch and Groves would be an even more onesided fight than their first bout since I couldn't imagine how the old Froch could possible improve but he somehow did it and put Groves down in violent fashion. So Froch would definetly be dangerous at any point in the fight against RJJ and maybe even be possible to connect to RJJ chin. 70/30 fight in favour of RJJ.

 

bailey,

That's true, but we're talking about Roy at 25.

Any fan of Roy's will tell you that he was at his absolute peak at SMW.

He wasn't there for long, but we saw him beat Toney and Malinga etc with ease.

So he proved how great he was at the weight.

It's not a fantasy fight where we can only speculate how he'd have fared at the weight.

We actually saw him at the weight.

He looked incredible at the weight.

He then left SMW, and still performed great at LHW for 7 years.

So I respect what you're saying, but I don't see how you can include Roy in your observation.

Why would Roy have been phased?

I don't think it would have favoured Carl, wherever they'd have fought.

A hometown crowd could have given him a lift, but he'd still have had a mountain to climb, to have overcome all of the disadvantages that he'd have been up against.

 

Roy was just on another level. :good

 

You've made some good points, but you have to understand that Roy has a huge ego, and Tarver had just brought his world crashing down. His aura of invincibility had just been shattered. Psychology plays a huge part in the outcome of any event.

The Ruiz version of Roy, and the version that fought Johnson, were worlds apart, even though there was only a difference of around 18 months. He lost to Tarver in May of 2004, and he fought Johnson in September. I haven't got the exact dates of when the contracts were signed for Johnson, but it was less than two months later.

Now you can say that if Roy didn't train to his full capabilities, that was his own fault. It was his own responsibility, and you might not have an ounce of sympathy for him. But that's the truth. Again, his own father and trainer have stated that he never trained properly for the fight. It seems clear that he just took the fight to eradicate the loss to Tarver. I think he wanted to jump back in to the ring ASAP to get a win back under his belt. He was just going through the motions. But it was a massive mistake. Even Antonio Tarver stated that he should never have fought again so soon.

I like Glen Johnson, and you have to respect his game plan. But without being disrespectful, when a fighter like Glen Johnson dominates every round against a guy who barely used to lose rounds, then you have to start asking questions. You knew something was seriously wrong, because under normal circumstances, Glen wasn't capable of dominating Roy and knocking him cold.

Glen was a good fighter, and a lot his losses were highly controversial. But you're not telling me that Glen was so good, that Roy wasn't able to win a round off of him? It was abundantly clear, that it wasn't Glen who was just the superior fighter, it was Roy who was not his normal self. Glen hammered Roy, then lost to Clinton Woods. So again, I respect what Glen did, but it's obvious something was amiss. According to Roy, the ringside doctor stated that he was completely dehydrated.

IMHO, Glen wouldn't have been good enough to have beaten Roy if Roy had've been physically and mentally at 100%. Roy's old attorney, Stan Levin, said "Fifty per cent of the old Roy would have beaten a guy like Glen Johnson" I have to agree with his statement. I honestly believe that any top ten LHW would have beaten Roy on that night.

So IMHO, the fight with Glen shouldn't even be taken into consideration when discussing a fantasy fight between Carl and Roy in his prime. I think that Carl would have crushed the version of Roy that Glen fought, and I understand perfectly, how someone can envisage Carl using the same tactics that Glen employed.

But again, in this fantasy fight, he wouldn't have facing the same version of Roy.


I honestly believe that Carl would have been an easy nights work for Roy in his prime.

 

:good

 

Jones whole career will always be held in a bad light who knows how long he was roiding for and who knows how good he would of been if he hadn't.