Carl Froch's Options

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  1. paddymickey

    paddymickey Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn't say no to Froch v Chavez Jr for the fun factor!!!
     
  2. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Froch is in a very good position for options. Despite the controversial and one-sided nature of the Groves fight, he will still have his picks at 168 and even at 175. As a boxing fan, a rematch is necessary but it's not as easy as that. If he loses against Groves, his big money fights will dry up and he probably thinks he has 2 or 3 more fights left in him. The least favourable in terms of fan friendly is the Ward fight. He has so many good fights he can pick and the worst of the bunch would be the Ward, by some distance. The following fights would be great:

    - Groves 2 at 168
    - Kessler 3 at 168 or 175
    - Kovalev at 175
    - Adonis at 175
    - Golovin at 168
    - Pascal 2 at 175

    All these fights can be made but the Groves and Kessler fights would carry the most money.
     
  3. Macky

    Macky Boxing Addict Full Member

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    rematch or retire
     
  4. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    :yep good post
    love it when people go on about boxing is a bussiness then on the next hand its about legacy , truth is its about both theses days
     
  5. lazarus20000

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    Despite the Groves fight, I still appreciate Froch, he has delivered us so many exciting fan friendly fights. That's why today, people are clamouring to see his fights. But why is this not the case with Ward? He clearly is the best fighter at 168, but he simply isn't fan friendly and he doesn't like to take risks. Froch has put it on the line many a time but I think he's come to the end, and looking for nice pay days to end his career with.

    Again, I do hope he takes the rematch against Groves, but the money is maybe more important at this stage of his career....
     
  6. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    :yep
     
  7. Macky

    Macky Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So fight Groves then.........

    That fight would fill a football stadium easily. Potentially millions to be earnt from it. No1 wants to see ward 2, it would be another snoozefest.

    Carl is running scared, simple. After all he said about Groves, it came back to bite him on the arse when Groves smashed him for 8 rounds. Froch knows what happens in a rematch with Groves. Hence the fact he won't entertain it.

    People are so blind its untrue
     
  8. lazarus20000

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    He was outclassed and took a hell of a beating against Groves. It took a premature stoppage to let him off the hook to be honest, and I'm a bit of a Froch fan. If he fights Groves and loses, he gets no more big fights. If he fights someone like Chavez Jr, wins it in his typical exciting manner, he will get another fight and so on. He can accumulate more money this way than one fight which could end his career. If it wasn't for his amazing chin, the fight against Groves would have been a career ending beating.
     
  9. Ryan the Lion

    Ryan the Lion King of the Jungle Full Member

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    No that's untrue. Froch can demand to have a rematch clause in the contract. If Froch takes on a lesser opponent than Groves and loses which is a possibility then that might be the case.
     
  10. Tommy.™

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    I don't think Froch is too keen on giving Groves a rematch. He took a bad beating in the first time they met and Froch knows deep down he was very lucky he got that stoppage. Same will happen in the rematch, Froch will get battered again but this time Groves will ko him in the mid to late rounds.

    Eddie Hearn seems to want it to happen so there is a chance it will. Froch has been backed into a corner here.
     
  11. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let's be honest here, Froch was not only battered for 9 rounds, but he was given a boxing lesson for 8 of those. Even Froch isn't that delusional to want a rematch clause against Groves. There are other fights that are far more winnable than the Groves one (not including Ward too).

    But don't get me wrong, the rematch should happen. But the reality is, Froch is 36 going onto 37, he's got maybe 2 maybe 3 fights at a stretch left in him. In his last fight he suffered a big beat-down where he got out-classed, in which maybe he got some lasting damage. Would you take the risk?
     
  12. Solarse

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    He should rematch groves and proper smash him up this time....foster done him a favour
     
  13. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foster did a massive favour but one thing is certain, Froch is one tough SOB. The way he was coming back was phenomenal. Groves showed a lot of naivety in trying to knock him out for so many rounds. He should have stopped after the 3-4 round and paced himself. He expended too much effort in the 6th round in particular, where he hit Froch with some peaches. That was a classic round of great attacking boxing from Groves. But for some reason he carried on and he clearly started gassing around the 8th/9th rounds, when Froch started to get some success. Groves was more interested in KO'ing Froch out that getting the W.
     
  14. Solarse

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    That first round punch was a good shot, took froch a few rounds to recover.

    No doubt groves is a decent boxer, but froch now knows he can take 4000 shots to the chin and still come through
     
  15. GJM

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    Financially, the best option is Groves. Forget the future income by going different routes, fights it could lead and all that nonsense. The guy is 36 and in a career that could be ended tomorrow, so he has to take the most cash that's on the table at any one time. If he chooses another route because he'd like to go out on a win and Groves is deemed too high a risk, that's his prerogative. I'd love to see a rematch and though the stoppage was totally wrong, but Froch isn't obliged to do anything he doesn't want to.

    Chavez Jr. works from a financial point of view and is comfortably the most winnable, but who knows what will happen with him. He's as likely to be a heavyweight as a super-middle by the time that fight could happen.

    Ward is a ridiculous choice in my opinion. We've already seen it once and it wasn't close. The money won't be as good as Groves and when he loses, his belts go too. Can you imagine how it would play out if Groves got himself a title against Steiglitz or Abraham and then Froch were to come back cap in hand for a title shot at Groves then? Those negotiations would be interesting.

    Kessler will always be watchable and sell, but I'm not sure Kessler wants that again. I think he knows he's on the slide.

    Kovalev and Stevenson will be pitched against each other and then eyeing up Hopkins, so I think that route will be blocked.

    Golovkin would give Froch a systematic beat down for 12 rounds and most probably put the first stoppage on his record. You can hear what Hearn thinks of GGG whenever he's mentioned in interviews, so you can rest assured he'll steer Carl away from that. Plus the money isn't quite there yet with Golovkin.

    For me, for both money and potential to win, it's either Chavez or Groves. Every other less money or a guaranteed loss.