Carl Martin Froch vs. Jean-Thenistor Pascal - IB's standalone RBR scorecard

Oh cripes, would you shut the fuck up?

Yes, both Ward & Calzaghe are on a higher echelon than Froch & Pascal, obviously, but there's no reason for you to jump down my throat and belabor that point (which I'm not even remotely insinuating to be untrue) by niggling over semantics. Elite, world class, whatever; these are not terms with precise static definitions. Their meaning is established by context. If this was a discussion of, narrowly, the champions & contenders at 168 & 175 during their era, then yes, I suppose you could draw a distinction between a Calzaghe/Ward as "elite" and Froch/Pascal as shy of elite, but I was clearly speaking more broadly so you don't have to white-knight for the former pair (as if this was some zero sum game where using a complimentary term about their inferiors somehow insults or lowers them). Of the few thousand professional boxers active in that weight range during Froch and Pascal's careers, I don't think you or anybody else can seriously argue that either of them was definitely not top 30 h2h. 30/3000 = 0.01%. So yeah, I'm not ****ing apologizing for referring to a pair of guys in the 99th percentile across the globe as "elites".

I had a look through your post history, because who the hell is your random ass coming in here with this snide bullshit, and yeah, we've interacted before, with you denigrating fighters, calling Froch "not very good", etc., you're the sort of garbage troll found in the Classic forum that, contrary to legend, makes it every bit as toxic as the General. Do me a favor and stay in there - or better yet, just discontinue using this forum altogether.

 

Hmm. Unauthorized trespassing in my thread/forum, you've copped yourself a month for that.

And when you return watch the potty-mouth, you ****ing cunt.

 

Alright, yeah I guess domestically it was probably bigger than a Pascal rematch would have been. Speaking for the international audience, and as someone that was never fully sold on St. George, though, I'd have preferred this one be revisited.

 

Kind of a shame Pascal wasn't able to linger a bit longer at 168lbs, continuing to make the weight comfortably. I've noticed a trend when this fight is mentioned, where people dismiss it with "oh but Pascal didn't belong down there, he was drained, everyone know he's a natural light heavyweight." (even though he came in 167¾ for his next bout, against Zamora for the WBO Intercontinental SMW title). Like, yes, he probably bailed on the division just in the nick of time, but I still think his form against Froch was close to an expression of his best self at that stage of his career - by which point he only had weighed over the SMW limit 5x in 21 bouts.