Carl "The Truth" Williams

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  1. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone else think Carl "The Truth" Williams had the potential to have a much better career then he ultimately did have? I thought early on he looked outstanding, he was a long rangy heavyweight, with a very fast jab and fast hands overall, he punched in combinationm had a little power to go along with it and stamina. He looked excellent in his fight with Larry Holmes a fight in which I thought he won slightly and he still was a bit green at the time. Things really seemed to go downhill for him after his two knock out defeats to Mike Weaver and Mike Tyson. Williams had a bad tendency to leave his right hand low which was exploited by both Tyson and Weaver who caught him and knocked him out with left hooks. After these fights I believe he got discouraged and his days as a top fighter were over.After those defeats he rarely ever seemed to get himself into shape for fights and never regained that forum he displayed early in his career. I honestly feel judging by his early fights that he displayed a lot more skill then many champions from before and after his time and could've been a good one himself had he stayed motivated and if he could've learned to keep that right hand up especially against fighters with a dangerous left hook. Anyone else agree that "The Truth" had a lot more skills then his record indicates ?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    yeah I agree. He had one of the best Jabs of that era and plenty of power in that right hand. He was also one of these guys who could get up off the canvas to win fights. As you say though, he had a glaring weakness for left hooks which neither he nor his people were ever able to fix. I watched a lot of his later fights on cable after his contender days were over. He was scheduled to fight Tyrell Biggs on the undercard of Witherspoon vs Sims in January of 1990, but pulled out due to an alleged back injury. He appeared later that summer against prospect Melton Bowen and looked halfway decent. Other fights I've seen him in were Marshall Tillman, Kimmuel Odom, Jerry Jones, and Tommy Morrison. He was inconsistent during this period. He showed up looking like hell for the Jones fight which he lost, but got back into shape and gave morrison fits.. At one point I really thought Truth was going to win that one.. Good contender and a decent guy. Just had some flaws that weren't fixable.
     
  3. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember him for the Tyson fight.

    I think he was one of the few that openly dissed Tyson saying he didn't see anything special in Tyson and come fight night hed have his hands raised.

    But what a left hook.

    There is a video of Tyson and Truth sparring on youtube, Carl had some crazy speed.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The footage of Truth sparring with a young Tyson was shown in the pre-fight coverage back in '89. There wasn't enough revealed to draw any conclusions but Carl said that Mike jumped all over him and gave him a bloody nose the first day of sparring. The next day however, Williams came back to the gym with a different attitude and got the better of him. Of course Williams was already about 24 years old with perhaps 11 pro fights while Tyson was maybe 16 and still an amateur. Six years later made all the difference in the world.
     
  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    there's many great sparring stories out there, maybe we should do a thread on it.

    Tyson sparred Bruno, Mcall, Berbick, Holyfield and Lewis.

    Holyfield sparred Bowe and Tua.

    Holmes sparred Ruddock

    Benn sparred Duran.

    i sparred (and got the better of) Daniel Smith, a guy who nearly knocked David Haye out in the amateurs.
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    That's cool. I bet you have some good sparring stories too. I didn't have a boxing career but have taken lessons and still workout at a boxing gym. I am a small guy who sparred a 6'5", 300 oaf from Brazil and got battered for the better part of an afternoon. Anyway, I'd like to hear stories about Liston sparring with Foreman.
     
  7. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Williams would have been special if he could take a punch.
     
  8. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    nah no other sparring stories from me unfortunately. Just that one spar was my claim to fame.
    on the flip side i did very little sparring before my first amateur......one round! And no i didn't win.

    i also sparred and got the better of Shaun Walton, who i believe is now pro and a journeyman with a not very attractive record.

    i trained in a variety of styles, my brother and cousin were always much better though. My cousin fought Amir Khans brother a few years back on one of our home shows.

    My brother trained with George Groves amongst others.

    ive always been intrigued by the Tyson/Holyfield sparring session

    i do want to get back into it and maybe give it another crack, i know im repeating the old cliche, but i feel in a much better fighter now than i was when i was in my prime about a decade ago!
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    If nothing else, go through the workouts and do some gym sparring. Boxing training is excellent for conditioning if done properly and you're eating right. I don't know if I'd recommend getting into actual matches after being gone for a decade and presumably being in your thirties now, but start with getting back into shape and see how it goes.
     
  10. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :tomb Too bad the Truth lost his biggest fight against Cancer...


    Like the previous poster said Carl would have been an unstoppable force if only he had the ability to take a punch..

    I loved his Brawl with Morrison in 92? a true knock em down drag em out fight, Morrison was just too young and brutally strong for him, great fight...
     
  11. fists of fury

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    Good contender. Lovely rapier-like jab; one of the few (if only) guys I've ever seen who could outjab Larry, albeit a faded and shopworn Holmes. Still though, Williams really did have a fantastic jab.

    Perhaps had he been matched against one of the more beatable WBA champs instead of Holmes, he would have won a belt. But although he had some good skills, I think ultimately he reached his level.
    He had so-so power, a decent but incomplete arsenal of punches and was slightly chinny.
    For me, he was always a bit of a 'tightrope' type fighter. In other words, a guy who could be upset if he was not careful.
     
  12. Big George

    Big George Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It looked like Mike had way too much skill for this guy. Mike was right in front of him and made him miss consistently. Also Mike caught him with a right hook that rocked Carl. Perfect example of a fighter very subtitle taking the starch out of another guy. I've seen enough to know Mike owned this guy in the worst way..
     
  13. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had great talent and this was shown against Holmes. Unfortunately like many others(especially in 80's) he didn't live up to his potential.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    Show me Wlad jabbing better than Carl Williams cos ive never seen it. Isn't Wlad meant to have a great jab?
    The Truth jabbed better than Wlad.

    He also went from body to head very nicely. All in all , Truth was a better boxer than Wlad .
     
  15. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I attended a security convention at the Jacob Javits center in NYC back in the spring of 2003 both Carl and Gerry Cooney were in attendance sitting at a booth promoting a new start up company. I went over to both of them and made brief conversation. They both had still pictures of various fights that they were in, autographing them for fans. I noticed that the picture of Tyson landing the left hook, was by far his most requested picture by the scant few remaining on his table. I asked him, how'd he feel about that, and he said it was cool everyone knows Tyson. He then added, I really felt I could of taken him that night, but I never got a chance he caught me early. I told him I was fan and chose a different picture a head shot for him to sign and told him he an amazing jab. We shook hands and departed. Seemed like a real nice guy.
    Just a little story.