Carl Williams

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  1. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think of Williams as highly as you seem to (to me the Holmes fight was a fluke and Williams' subsequent demolitions somewhat unsurprising).

    However, I too have watched that Biggs/Iron Mike fight plenty of times. Leonard as commentator told the story, as he himself was nonplussed and obviously not happy about Tyrell abandoning his otherwise-pristine game plan. I believe Tyrell would certainly have trumped the (arguably) weaker chinned Tillis' run at Mike, with the fight at least going into the later rounds.
     
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  2. GordonGarner65

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    Its interesting when you study a fighter in a thread. My opinion of Carl has risen a little . I'd forgotten about his performances v Ferguson and Cooper and impressed by his late career efforts v Witherspoon and Morrison. He didnt seem to get the breaks at the right time, but he was a good fighter in a very competitive era.
     
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    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carl was definitely a good fighter and it's true, he entered an era that saw Big George coming back, the ascendancy of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis, and of course Tyson. The heavyweight division went from being kind of lame in the first part of the 80s to becoming really exciting again in the last two or three years (Mike alone wasn't everything exciting about that division come 1988 or so).

    Just my opinion.
     
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  4. GordonGarner65

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    Even without Mike it was competitive in a way because so many guys were of similar level.
    If you took Williams,Berbick, Witherspoon, Bruno,Biggs,Tucker, Douglas,Cooper,Ferguson,Tubbs,Page,Dokes,Weaver,Bonecrusher, Thomas, etc etc you would find it hard to put them In a definite order of best to worst. Many were at a similar level.
     
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  5. ETM

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    Drugs were part of Biggs story as well. I think the Duvas may have been cashing him out against Tyson. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was only 15 fights deep in his pro career.
     
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    By the late 80s writers started implying Bo
    Jackson was a viable contender.
     
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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ira Liebowitz was his manager at one point. So was Jeff Levine. Williams was also handled at different times by Top Rank and all its people and Josephine Abercrombie and Houston Boxing. The Kings really didn't have anything to do with Carl Williams and his career, aside from Williams' fights with Berbick (in an IBF-ordered eliminator) and Tyson - and the Kings were on the side of Berbick and Tyson in those instances.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember, in 1988/89, when Tony Mandarich (one of the biggest roiders in NCAA football history to that point) was talked about as a possible Tyson opponent.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1989/04/24...rospect-is-a-chowhound-who-chews-up-opponents

    Then Mandarich crashed and burned.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1992/09/28...still-outrageous-but-hes-not-much-of-a-talent

    https://www.si.com/vault/2009/03/09/105785064/tony-mandarich-is-very-very-sorry
     
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  9. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Biggs got took out by mason with one punch.Big right hand .Biggs was ahead at the time
     
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  10. NoNeck

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    Looked like a dive.
     
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  11. GordonGarner65

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    Yes to an extent they did and yes he was .
     
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  12. GordonGarner65

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    About 20 seconds before that right , he absorbed a similar punch, I dont think he recovered from it.
    Biggs to this day says he was recovering from a heavy cold, but couldnt call the fight off and he just gassed . He was ahead for me but Mason was number 4 in the world and unbeaten . They desperately wanted a name on his record, I doubt the ref wouldve given Biggs the verdict. It was an incredibly small ring and worked in Masons favour.
    Arguably Biggs most disappointing defeat at his peak . His first fight without the Duva's.
     
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  13. GordonGarner65

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    He didnt , 100%
     
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  14. ETM

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    Yes I remember the Sports Illustrated Cover. It was unusual for an offensive lineman to get that kind of attention.
     
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  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's called a Publicity Stunt
     
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