Carlos monzón vs Roy jones jr 15 rounds!! 160 pounds

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Monzón vs Roy Jones 15 rounds 160 pounds

  1. Monzón by decision

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  2. Monzón by ko or tko

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  3. Roy Jones by decision

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  4. Roy Jones by ko or tko

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  5. Draw

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Top notch post!
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    I think that the reason for the lack of exposure of Carlos Monzon was because he did not fight in the United States as often as today's top fighters. But in his only U. S. appearance against Tony Licata on June 30 1975,won by Carlos, TKO 10, in Madison Square Garden, Monzon paid a large amount in taxes, so he never fought again on U. S soil. Also he was not a loud mouth like today's fighters, he had a job to do, so he did it. Promoters should promote, not fighters. You see one boastful fighter, you see many. Also Monzon did not speak english, he felt there was no need for it. He usually fought in places like Buenos Aires, Argentina, Paris France, and Monte Carlo, Monaco, And there was no pay per view back then, he was seen on national television or closed circuit tv.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was conceding 10 years to Licata.
     
  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    Yes he was, good post.
     
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  5. LoadedGlove

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    Pretty much how I see it. Monzon's thing was to wear guys down. Look at the 2 Jean Claude Bouttier Fights. Bouttier was a good boxer and extremely brave but by the end of both of those Fights Monzon was punching holes in him.
     
  6. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Active Member Full Member

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    Didn't he fight Briscoe twice ?
     
  7. BundiniBlack

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    This is simply not true. I don't know why people say things like this. There is virtually no difference in ability between the Roy that fought Jorge Vaca(his first real opponent) vs the one that fought John Ruiz or any of his fights in between.

    Not every fighter has the same progression, Roy never improved he was that good from the very beginning heck probably from before he turned pro
     
  8. LoadedGlove

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    Speed of thought is more important than speed of hand or foot.
     
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  9. LoadedGlove

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    What I see is that Jones would not be able to take ring centre from Monzon because he hasn't got a jab. As Ali made clear when he discussed the Foreman Fight, if you're moving round the outside, you're taking 3 steps to your opponent's 1. Roy has got to tire, great athlete though he was, and that's where he starts taking those heavy, hurtful shots.
    Have a look at Some of Monzon's Fights full length. It's a noticeable trait that he may look slow, predictable etc... in the first 5 or so rounds but he is still commanding ring position. Really don't know what Jones can do about that.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Active Member Full Member

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    He did but people like Jean Claude - Bouttier and Tony Licata tried to run against Carlos. Yes he did fight Bad Bennie Briscoe twice, in 1967 and in a title defense on Nov 11 1972, in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Carlos won by a unanimous 15 round decision. The first fight was ruled a draw in 1967.
     
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  11. red cobra

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    Man_Machine, you and McVey have unloaded these facts re Monzon, mixed with logic and common sense so well on Mendoza, but he is impervious to any kind of learning...he makes the same stupid points (from his perspective) over and over again, without the slightest prayer of ever learning anything..
     
  12. Man_Machine

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    Thanks RC - It's a shame when someone is so hellbent on diminishing the legacy of recognized Greats (in order to show their own personal favorites in a better light), that they will highlight every bit of negativity they can, however trivial, in order to pursue their agenda; ignoring any positive facts and commentary, which might interfere with that agenda.

    The problem with this, of course (and I am sure @mcvey would agree) is that it tends to lead to the simple regurgitating of data, without analysis - just the drawing of face-value conclusions (sloppy research) and counterintuitive arguments.

    For example, the comments made about Rodrigo Valdes being 'another smaller man moving up in weight class with a 69" reach', forgetting to mention that Valdes had been campaigning as a middleweight for 5 to 6 years, from around the age of 23/24.

    Not only that, but contradictory evidence is also introduced, by bringing up the fact that Valdes needed six visits to the scales in 1976, using the words "too fat" to plant the idea that Valdes hadn't prepared properly. Perhaps this was an attempt at explaining away how a small middleweight would find themselves in such a predicament :lol:

    Valdes was a mere 5.5 ounces over the 160 limit. Small middleweights do not struggle to shift less than half a pound.

    And, so the non-learning cycle continues...
     
  13. CharlesBurley

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    Jones jab was way quicker than Monzons
     
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    Jones doesn't move or need to move that much. He can sit in the pocket, throw combinations, make Monzon miss and counter. Rinse repeat

    Why would Jones tire against the chainsmoker with the far lower workrate again?
     
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  15. CharlesBurley

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    Which exactly what a hypocrite like yourself does with Jones Jr

    'Hopkins was only ranked 7th at the time' - ignores he wouldn't be beat for another 12 years in none stop title fights and assume he wasn't yet a great boxer. All while ignoring Benvenutis losses to journeymen that sandwiched the Monzon loss.
     


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