Carlos monzón vs Roy jones jr 15 rounds!! 160 pounds

That's how I see it.

 

Thanks Richard. You're right about Bouttier by the way. His training for the re-match basically consisted of putting more miles in his legs.

 

Loaded Glove, You are welcome, I remember both fights, the first one was on June 17 1972, won by Carlos, TKO 13, and the second one on Sept 29 1973, won by Monzon, unanimous 15 round decision.

 

True but I don't think there was enough behind it to back Monzon up. If they went jab for jab it would be Roy who would have to give ground.

 

You can't stand still on the outside Charles. You've got to move to create angles for openings.

 

He looks more methodical than slow to me. His timing makes up for a helluva lot of out and out speed. Roy would have a very good speed advantage for sure but he'd still have to be extremely wary of Monzon and his timing. Watch across a few fights and have a look how fast Monzon's straight right gets to people when he really goes after it. It's gun barrel straight when he really lets it rip.

 

This is not fair. The fight should only be 12 rounds.
Anyway, Roy wins with ease. He's just too damn fast for Monzon

 

Jones by a very wide decision.

 

I'd lean tentatively to a safety-first points win for Jones, but aside from Jones stopping Monzon (barring cuts) none of the scenarios listed above would surprise me much. There's no Middleweight in history I'd make an outright favourite over Jones at 160, but there are a very small few who I'd put at more or less 50:50 or only narrow underdogs, and Monzon is in that bracket.

Monzon tended to hit the groove the longer the fight progressed and the speed Jones brings to the table is unlike anything he was used to facing, so chances are Monzon loses a few early rounds. He (Monzon) also relied on strength, being able to accentuate the advantage he usually had over his opponent in that area by roughing them and forcing them back with his heavy jab and mauling, so it really depends on whether or not he can cut the ring off effectively enough and force Jones to fight right in at close quarters often enough, which wasn't where Jones was most comfortable.

As I mentioned the other day in the Roy Jones versus Archie Moore thread, whenever Jones is pitted against a legendary Middle or Light-Heavyweight in these kind of hypotheticals there always seems to be an assumption from a lot of posters that Jones will outspeed his opponent early, build a bit of a lead, but then inevitably be slowed by his opponent, tire as the fight progresses and get taken out late. Obviously you can't rule that out here given Monzon's power, fantastic conditioning and knack for finishing fights strongly, but there's really nothing to automatically suggest that Jones is doomed to tire and slow down late, either. He never had stamina issues during his best years, ended a good number of fights with knockouts or stoppages in the late rounds and never really looked any more sluggish late on than he did in the early stages. Obviously due to his age he wasn't around in the fifteen round era, but I suspect he could have managed those extra three rounds without too much bother.

Obviously Monzon's record at 160 blows Jones' out the water, but that doesn't always decide a head-to-head. I see Jones' unpredictability, speed, movement and own proven stamina / conditioning as the slightly more reassuring factors here, hence why I'd probably lean towards him making it a relatively low-key fight and getting the decision. Obviously his chin is another matter, but even allowing for his late-career fall from grace it's worth noting that he never looked so much as mildly stunned anywhere below 175. Monzon's power could upset his whiskers, but it's questionable if he could land on them with enough regularity to make that a factor in the outcome.

Not a confident pick, but I'll go with Jones on the cards, just.

 

RJJ would KO Monzon before it even got to the 8th round SMH

 

When did Monzon face half the puncher Roy was? Monzon chin is very overrated, dude got rocked I remember by a C class fighter.

 

As soon as you said much better stamina I knew YDSAB. RJJ stamina is so good people thought he was on steroids, which he wasn't, he just tested positive but that's not the same as taking steroids. Maybe he was taking a supplement that had some mysterious ingredient similar to steroids, but I could literally drink water and if it had a little bit of roidal ingredients in it, I would be tested positive too. RJJ stamina is so good he could fight in the 12th round and you would still be thinking the way he punched he was in 1st round. RJJ has that Aaron Pryor stamina but Aaron Pryor is twice as fast, twice as strong, slightly more stamina, in twice as skilled. YDSAB if you say Monzon, super slow super ugly style has MORE stamina than RJJ. That is just RIDICULOUS LMAO

 

Monzon does not look unbeatable, I watch him on film he doesn't look unbeatable. He may look unbeatable but he fought people with disadvantages. I could name like 6 fighters who could beat him, and Roy is one of them. Only Roy can look unbeatable to the eye test

 

I think comparing relative eras is itself not a good way. Hopkins is definitely a more advanced opponent but relativity wise there are more accomplished MW in the 70's, but likewise in the 70's middleweight competition wasn't that heavy compared to the 80
s and 90's. Besides Monzon and Griffith, there's not a single golden tongue name you could squeeze out of to say. There are some 80 year old boxing experts who can't name anyone besides Monzon and Griffith. I know a 70 year old boxing fan who doesn't know who Benvenuti is, which is a testament to the desert competition that is the 70's middleweight division. Not to **** on Monzon but that is how it is

 

And neither is Monzon, RJJ by KO in 7th round