Carlos monzón vs Roy jones jr 15 rounds!! 160 pounds

I respect your opinion.

If those MW greats of the past had found the same opportunities that the LHW's did when Roy was faded, they too could have replicated those results that the likes of Tarver had. But I just think that those opportunities would have been rare.

We can say that apart from Toney, Roy didn't beat any true ATG's whilst they were prime. But then who did Monzon beat who was a true ATG and in their absolute prime?

Roy has the better overall resume for me. Because although he didn't beat lots of ATG's, he beat lots of good-very good fighters with ease, and they were 2 divisions higher.

We never saw Monzon fight naturally bigger guys.

We never saw him in the higher divisions.

I could say that Monzon is somewhat unproven.

Roy took more risks than Monzon did he not?

You say Roy had everything in his favour.

Did Monzon not have everything in his favour?

Roy had special wins.

You say Hill was faded, yet Roy iced him in 4 rounds. And nobody else ever knocked out Hill in his entire career. And he won a belt at CW afterwards.

Nino was faded and had been knocked out in Australia before he fought Monzon.

The Griffin win was also special. He was a very good fighter who'd had 2 great, technical fights with Toney. Roy iced him in a single round, with a lead uppercut.

When a former MW is taking out LHW's like nobody else could, then they are special wins. Very impressive.

He beat Toney like nobody else ever did.

He easily beat Hopkins with an injured hand.

He beat Tarver after burning muscle.

He easily beat Ruiz.

He toyed with Reggie who'd just knocked out a good prospect in William Guthrie. Nobody else ever beat Reggie as easy.

Monzon impresses me, but he doesn't have any 'wow' moments for me. Not if you look at who he fought and when, and if you take into account he was bigger.

Would Monzon have beaten all of Roy's opponents? Honestly, I'm not sure.

Would Roy have beaten all of Monzon's opponents? I'd say for sure.

Meldrick vs Chavez is a good example.

Timing can negate speed. But as well as the speed, Roy had the one punch knockout power and the reflexes to get out of harms way. He also had an unorthadox style that was extremely hard to read. Chavez was also fast and he could get inside. He also had more shots in his arsenal than Monzon.

Although Monzon was great, I honestly just think that Roy's speed and style would have been too much for him.

Good debate.

 

Likewise, stay safe bro.

 

I sound like a broken record fanboy but I always say that Monzon at 160 is near the perfect and an unbeatable fighter.

 

Monzon presents a real problem for many, in terms of working out why he was so good. It took me years to just begin understanding why there were those observers, who rated him so highly.

Once one can get past appearances and take a perspective of Monzon, which accepts that almost everything he does is by design, then things begin to look a little differently. He's still an enigma to me, though - which probably keeps him high up on my list of watchable fighters, for many more years to come.

 

Monzon is not that impressive at a glance you really have to watch his full fights. Before I watched his entire fights and tried to study him I was not that impressed. Even the way he jabs I don’t like his form at first but now I know how great his jab is.

Jones on the other hand it’s easy to see his great speed. And a lot of people are fans of his and have watched and studied his fights more then Monzon. So they think Jones would win.

Monzon if he did not knock Jones out he would give Jones beating of his life though.

 

He was great. But certainly not unbeatable.

I think many MW's could have replicated his resume.

There's also plenty of difficult match ups for him stylistically.

Roy would have been one of them for sure.

 

He'd have needed to have landed regularly on Roy to have given him the beating of his life.

I can appreciate Monzon's skillset for sure. Lots of great attributes. But how would he have timed Roy?

How would he have coped with Roy's hand speed and his unorthadox style?

He's slow in comparison and he wouldn't have had an advantage in reach.

Monzon was an expert in slowly wearing his opponents down.

Roy would not have been there.

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I don't where this line of thinking comes from.

I'm just not seeing it.

As great as he was, he wasn't fast, he didn't use a big variety of punches.

Roy's speed would have been a nightmare for him.

Roy went 15 years, across 4 divisions without getting a beating, as he was extremely difficult to land clean on.

Monzon was predictable at times and Roy wouldn't have been there to be hit.

 

I really don't get how Roy's resume is under the scope compared to Monzon, Roy's is clearly better

 

I like Carlos but Jones would be possibly the man to not just beat him but stop him at 160. Same size, much faster and a better puncher.

 

All things are possible but, Jones Jr, as far as I can recall, never really looked like he was going to stop either Castro or Hopkins - so, not sure why one might think a tough guy like Monzon would have been likely to succumb.

 

Either Monzon slowly and methodically finds the holes and grinds him down or Jones has him turned offsides all night long. Rewatched Monzon follow powderpuff Licata around the ring looking "meh" not too long ago and it makes me want to bet on the latter.

 

One of the best jabbing technicians against the best jab slipper, counter puncher and speedster the division has ever seen. It's a great contest but I think Jones is way too quick and big and hard hitting for Monzon