Roy Jones had the style to cause Carlos a lot of problems in a head to head bout, imo, but Monzon increases the pressure over the course of a fight. He was an awkward handful and had a pretty good chin. It goes the distance and Jones has a better chance of winning a decision over 12 rounds. I'd pick Monzon over the 15 round distance.
He very easily does. Hopkins is a greater fighter than Monzon himself and he could throw 90 punches a round back then while still being technically excellent.
Hopkins was a virtual unknown, at the time Roy fought him; didn't have a title and resided somewhere in the bottom half of the Middleweight Ring-Ratings. One can take their pick from over a dozen of Monzon's fights, in which he was up against top-5 Ring-Rated opposition, including a Ring Champion. Even Hopkins, with his complete Middleweight ledger, doesn't compare to to Monzon.
It doesn't matter, he dominanted one of the greatest ever MWs. I don't buy for a minute the 90s/00s was a weaker era than the 70s. Guys like Vanderpool, Holmes, Allen and Echols are massively underrated because they shared an era with a dominant champion. Allen probably deserved the first Hopkins fight too when Hopkins probably faked injury. Vanderpool won 4 rounds against Hopkins IIRC too. Then you have great WWs and LMWs like DLH, Trinidad and Winky And then we saw what Hopkins went onto do at LHW, Monzon's resume doesn't come close
Toney and Hopkins had better hand speed than Monzon. Exactly how much did they land on Roy Jones? Exactly my point. Monzon would look slow and once he felt Jones power, wouldn't be as aggressive.
Monzon has a dozen or more wins against Top-5 Ring-Rated Middleweights, to RJJ's none, and it doesn't matter? OK. Your counterargument has not started very well, here. Jones won a comfortable UD against a guy, who wasn't even a Champion at that point; hadn't beaten a single Ring-Rated contender and would take another two years to win a World Middleweight title. What Hopkins became is immaterial. You are conflating a 'Big Name' with a 'Big Win'. All your opinion^^, which is fine; but also, all after Hopkins won a strap and began to make a name for himself. Not only irrelevant to 160 but also irrelevant to the version of Hopkins that Jones Jr beat. As I have allude to previously, you are confusing Hopkins' complete and overall standing, with a guy who had a fair bit to learn when he faced Jones Jr. Monzon has better wins at Middleweight than Jones Jr has.
We can try again if you want. I apologise for the tone of my previous posts. Of course Roy's 160 resume pales in comparison. But can we not look at his overall resume? Is it not fare to do that? We saw him fight SMW's and LHW's, using the exact same style and attributes as what he used at MW. This is obviously a H2H fight, where we're speculating upon how their styles would have matched up. So we're analysing each guys skillset. In a sense, it doesn't really matter who's got the better stats at the weight. Joe Calzaghe spent 14 years at SMW, whereas guys like Roy, Toney and Nunn etc, just used it very briefly. So their stats are nowhere close to his. But that obviously doesn't mean that they couldn't have beaten him.
Yawn. Prime Hopkins as an opponent in '93 was better than any MW in the 70s full stop. Use all the smoke and mirrors you want. 20 a day Monzon can provide you the smoke
Did Monzon beat middles who were better than Hopkins or Toney? Yes or No? Just in case you duck the reply and throw spaghetti on the wall I'll answer it for you, the answer is no, he did not. How the argument going now? Furthermore, I can show you where Mozon struggled vs. mere contenders. Jones never struggled until he was past the age where Monzon retired. Monzon reigned at a time when the middleweight division was not at its best. He grinned on mostly smaller men moving up in class , and beat the ordinary contender types. Meanwhile Jones has two easy wins over top 15 all-time middleweights. What's Monzon's best win? Wanna compare that guy to Hopkins or Toney?
