Carlos Monzon 1972 vs Vito Antuofermo, 1979, 160 lbs. 15 Rounds.

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  1. William Walker

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    Going with the thought that Monzon was tall and knew how to capitalize on it, Hagler and Antuofermo were much closer in size. Antuofermo being 5 ft. 6 and Hagler 5 ft. 9. With Monzon's height and reach advantages, it would be easy to pepper Vito with jabs and stop him in a couple of rounds. True, Monzon never stopped anybody as champ within a couple of rounds on cuts, and Vito was never stopped under 5 in his prime, but Monzon never faced anyone as cut-prone as Vito, and Vito never fought anyone as good as Monzon, except for Hagler, and Vito was cut up pretty bad in that fight too.
     
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  2. RightLeftCombo

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    I like the extra class of Carlos to take him to a UD.
     
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  3. William Walker

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    Alright everybody, I have a new way to put this, and maybe finish this discussion. Now Antuofermo was a good fighter, he was powerful and VERY tough, but he cut easily. If Harold Weston stopped him in 5 on cuts, and Minter stopped him on cuts at the end of his prime, wouldn't Monzon make quicker work of his tendency to cut? Otherwise, Antuofermo would likely be one of Monzon's toughest opponents along with Briscoe, Griffith, and Valdez.
     
  4. Berlenbach

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    Still, Monzon failed to win two of those six fights. He may even have been behind, since we don't know the scorecards. Salinas, according to Boxrec, had a final record of 32-27-9. Aguilar had a final record of 29-18-11.

    Anyway, the point I was making is that much lesser fighters than Antuofermo were not destroyed or outclassed by Monzon, as people have been predicting he'd do to Antuofermo. Moreover, if Antuofermo's loss to Maurice Hope (who was at least a world champion) is seen to be decisive here, then I don't see why Monzon should get a pass for his numerous shaky results against journeymen in Argentina.

    Antuofermo has as much chance as Valdez, Emile Griffith or Bennie Briscoe, all of whom performed credibly against Monzon and were not blown away by him. Griffith in particular pushed him very close. Even Bouttier took Monzon 15 rounds in their rematch. Antuofermo will probably lose on points in a fairly pedestrian bout as Monzon piles up points with his jab and picks his spots with counters, but he's not getting destroyed IMO.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

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    Briscoe lost to everyone.

    Briscoe lost before his prime, during his prime and after his prime.

    Briscoe boxed from 1962 to 1982, and he lost or drew in 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981 and 1982.

    I only mention it because Carlos Monzon devotees always seem to want to build Briscoe up into this unbeatable force, but EVERYONE beat Briscoe - whether he was young, old, in shape, out of shape.

    He was a longtime contender. A tough out. Everyone respected him.

    However, the only time Briscoe's name seems to come up is when we're talking about Monzon ... and Monzon fans think it's this amazing feet that Monzon beat him.

    Alot of guys beat Briscoe, but nobody seems to trot out a Briscoe win as a "Spectacular Achievement" ... except Monzon fans.

    When we're normally talking about Emile Griffith or Luis Rodriquez, people aren't going ... BUT they beat Briscoe!

    It's weird, actually.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    Antuofermo fought Hagler and Corro in 1979. Neither stopped him that year. Neither beat him that year.

    Whether Vito was cut in a junior middleweight bout years earlier that contributed to a loss doesn't matter.

    We're talking about 1979, when Antuofermo was at his peak and going head to head with the best middleweights in the world. And they couldn't beat him.

    It's a close fight.
     
  7. red cobra

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    Of course, and that's the only reason.
     
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  8. William Walker

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    sorry, I forgot that this was 1979 and 1972 in the same year, but no 1973 or anything else. I forgot. Don't you think the Monzon of '72 is more experienced and dangerous than the Hagler of '79?
     
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  9. Dubblechin

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    I don't think Monzon was better than Hagler. No.
     
  10. red cobra

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    Vito wouldn't have even been a champion at all had Hugo Corro felt like fighting in the last 5 rounds of his bout with Vito. Corro essentially quit fighting in the last five rounds in their June '79 bout.
     
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  11. William Walker

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    That creates some problems for this discussion then. I think Monzon was better than Hagler, but only by a hair.
     
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  12. DrederickTatum

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    Some of you guys are underrating Monzon.

    I genuinely believe he could find the distance and out jab Thanos.
     
  13. William Walker

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    definitely
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Part I Monzon vs. a 5'7" 1/2 inch fighter with a 69" reach that didn't have a lot of power? ( KO percentage 35.59% )

    Right up Monzon's alley. He'd win here, likely on points provided Vito had a good cut man. If the point of this thread is picking a Hagler opponent who drew or beat him with and matching him vs Monzon. Okay.

    Part II Hagler destroys all 9 people who drew with Monzon, and judges would not be needed. I'd also pick Hagler defeat the three who beat Monzon via wide margin or stoppage.

    Any disagreement on Part II?
     
  15. Man_Machine

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    Sorry, but you're building a case out of papier mache.

    He didn't lose them and could just have as easily have been ahead. Any doubts are reasonably erased by the weight of the collective results (4-0-2) against the two fighters concerned.

    His last draw occurred in 1969, some time before the year in question ('72) and the fact that he went on from there to go 30+ bouts undefeated, without a draw, over the next 8 years, doesn't bode well for Antuofermo.



    Antuofermo's style and the fact he'd have little choice, but to try and get inside, means he's likely to take some heavy artillery from Monzon. He might survive the 15 in doing so; he might not. I doubt he does.

    I'm not too concerned about the Maurice Hope loss but at least it's a confirmed loss and not a speculative one. Moreover, Antuofermo doesn't have rematches in his favor, against Hope, like Monzon does.


    I've no problem with people thinking that but, as I alluded to above, Antuofermo's style is not conducive to avoiding Monzon and I think he would run into trouble, too often. I also think Griffith and Valdez were levels above Vito. But, that's just me
     
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