Carlos Monzon - All Title Fights

I don't want to send Red into a frenzy here... But I've always found it extremely odd that even in his own country, with people behind the scenes and upfront pushing for his prominence and notoriety, and yet he could only get draws in some of these bouts there. The cards are usually stacked in your favor in your home country. I mean, you'd think even any semblance of him being better would've got him clear wins, so how did these fight really look that he could only get draws in them? Maybe Red or somebody can clear up whey there were so many draws in Argentina?

 

Wow! This thread spiraled out of control pretty rapidly.

 

In South America the scoring used to be different. You had to be up by at least four points on two cards or more to get a win if it went to points. That was for all bouts that weren’t world ranked I believe.

That explains Locche having a lot of draws too and Jofre having four draws. I know Jofre’s he was ahead on the cards in all four but I’m not as familiar with a lot of Monzon’s.

 

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I guess if that is your take? Not personally a fan of Monzon, but I do have a huge appreciation of what he accomplished and the manner in which he did it. I really meant that a thread that was showcasing Carlos’s skills and accomplishment devolved into an outside the ring evaluation of human decency and that he didn’t warrant discussion. I have no problem with anyone challenging his accomplishments or opposition. I think there are holes to be poked into his resume same as most fighters. However in balance I think he stacks up well even though he is not among my favorites or most viewed.

 

But the Draws were mainly against other Argentinian fighters so it is their country too .. And he had 2 Draws in Brazil .. I think , but I'm not sure as this was discussed before, that maybe the scoring was different where you had to Win by more than one round to actually get the Win, again not sure but we had this discussion before .. And what I have read on Monzon and seen in docs is that he actually was the underdog in many of his fights expecting not to win and surprising a lot .. Point being for me, that there was very tough boxing around Brusa and Luna Park .. These people had nothing poor as hell, and everyone wanted to excel because that's all they had to look forward too... And Monzon was prepared because he was fighting in the streets for money way before boxing (50 pesos to be exact)

 

So full of crap clompton. You are the boy who cried wolf. You put down every single fighter who could cast doubt on GREB. I bet I have seen more than you. I have a massive library. Every TIME you attack these other greats and fighters around Harry's era you show yr inferiority complex.. You have singlehandedly made more Greb haters than the man ever could when alive. Monzon WAS great. In every way. He was a complete fighter who never lost his last 13 yrs and 82 and more fights. He fought terrific competition and no one came even close to bothering him. Even in his last fight after the knockdown he ate VALDES up. You are a revisionist Clompton and nothing else. A twerp with a battery on yr shoulder throwing tantrums to protect YOUR vision of an unseen fighter.

 

I'd really like to see the EXACT rules in place for these fights. Not saying it's not as you said, but a few people have said different things.. from 5 rounds to 4 rounds to 1 round. So just some clarification on the actually rules would be great. Second, once the rules are clear, it would be enlightening to look at the cards and where Monzon was at on the cards. It could be that he was behind, and benefitted from the draw rule, it could be that he was ahead, I'd just like to see these cards. Does anybody have them? Lastly, if what you say is true, and you had to be winning by more than a round... It still doesn't really look that good when you're not up by more than a round against fighters I never heard of in my life.

 

Oh you mean like the time I started crying and making ad hominem attacks because some mean people on the Internet criticized Tubbs' out-of-ring conduct? Grow up.

I'll never have a fraction of the emotional attachment to Tubbs (or any other fighter) that you have for Monzon.

 

I like the fellow
Who in the heat of battle
Was able to plant our flag
In the toughest terrain.
Champion in his game,
Confident in his ability,
He saw the vultures grouping,
Chased them with his hat
And seared them with his poncho.

If you go forward tenaciously
You'll struggle through with your message,
Even though your wagon gets stuck
And the cattle crush you.
There's nothing wrong with the man
Who wears out his knife
Defending his honor.
The coward hands it over to the police
Without ever taking it out of it's sheath.

Here is to you, CARLOS MONZON,
100% Santafesino.
The new WORLD CHAMPION.
Strength, fist and heart.
From this old tree, for you a prize of honey and a laurel wreath.
From you tent a cry of victory,
A woman's hand in yours, and a carnation pinned to your lapel.
JILIO MIGNO

 

Yes miserable one you're right, Monzon su-ked .. what a tool you are. What happened , get rejected by an Argentinian chick too ?