Carlos Monzon. An examination of his resume reveals

No Jeffries won the title in his14th fight.

Corbett won it in his 13th.

 

"You could say both beat mostly smaller men"

I wouldn't. In fact, any such comparison is kind of silly.

Off the weights given in the old Ring Record Book 1976

Jeffries 206--Fitz 167 to win title. In percentage of body weight, Monzon at 160 would have had to have been fighting a man weighing a few ounces under 130 lbs.

Jeffries 215--Sharkey 183. In percentage of body weight, Monzon at 160 would have had to have been fighting a man weighing 136 lbs.

Jeffries 218--Corbett 188. In percentage of body weight, Monzon at 160 would have had to have been fighting a man weighing 138 lbs.

Jeffries 219--Fitz 172. In percentage of body weight, Monzon at 160 would have had to have been fighting a man weighing 125 lbs.

Now heavyweight fighting is what it is, and having a big weight pull is part of the game, but Monzon fought at middle and his opponents were at middle. He was nothing like as much bigger than his opponents as Jeffries was.

Personally, I think there is generally no way to compare the opposition of heavies to middles, as historically there were so many more really good fighters at middle.

 

Good points.

One wonders how much credit Monzon would receive if ,like Jeffries one of his three best wins was over a 33 years old man, who had been retired for a year and a half and who moreover had not won a fight in 6 years! Or , how about if he beat a 37 years old champion who had not fought in 2 years? Would they be looked upon as legendary victories ?:think

 

It was Jeffries's 14th fight according to boxrec:

Bob Armstrong (13)
Tom Sharkey (12)
Mexican Pete Everett (11)
Peter Jackson (10)
Joe Goddard (9)
Joe Choynski (8)
Dan Long (7)- listed as a "no-decision" and a bout for a "gentleman's club"
Gus Ruhlin (6)
Henry Baker (5)
Theodore Van Buskirk (4)- It says this is reported to be Jeffries's pro debut, but below it has Long and Lorraine also being listed as debuts. When you click on Fitzsimmons, it lists Jeffries's record as 10-0-2 going in.
Hank Griffin (3)
Dan Long (2)
Hank Lorraine (1)

So if you use Van Buskirk as his debut, then it was his 11th pro fight. But it also lists 3 fights before Van Buskirk, two of them said to be his "debut".

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9022

Cyberboxingzone lists Fitzsimmons as Jeffries's 13th fight, with a gazillion exhibitions, one of them being the 2nd Long fight which Boxrec described as a no-decision for a gentleman's club.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jeffries.htm

 

Management must love threads like this. Keeps folks coming back, if nothing else.

 

Mendoza you are being inconsistent.

Monzon beats blown up LW fighters, irrespective of their rankings it makes the victories shoddy.

Jeffries beats up blown up LHW fighters, doesn't matter how small they are they were highly ranked.

 

No ,I'm right on both counts.

 

Bah...schmogic!!! :bart

 

I apologise for trying to use logic for him.

 

And so you should!

 

The first fight billed as for the Light heavyweight title was in August 1899 when Joe Choynski beat Jimmy Ryan in a 20 rds bout.

You mentioning the word LOGIC