Carlos Monzon. An examination of his resume reveals

Valdez hadn't been near the lightweight limit for 12 years!

[1964 ,]and was a middleweight in 1970 , 6 years before he challenged Monzon
A bit past his best? He hadn't lost a fight in 6 years!

Valdez was 29years old Monzon 34!
Valdez succeeded Monzon as worlds champion
You are an imbecile!atsch

 

You made the silly statement that Valdez' reach was very limited at 69". I pointed out it was an inch longer than Marciano's .

Valdez was a big puncher,Mundine was a big puncher,Briscoe was a good puncher and so was Bouttier , you ignorant fool!

 

You do see the irony in critizising Monzom for not facing any natural MWs and then naming these guys as opposition to aspire to for a MW champ?

Hearns is the only one of them who beat more than one good MW, and the one Leonard beat was Hagler himself.

 

This willful ignorance about Monzon sometimes mystifies me. Those who carp on the Licata fight can always find a loss or two in their particular favorite fighter...in their prime no less...losing a nontitle bout or being dethroned even....but they go on and nit pick and carp about a maybe relatively sub par winning performance by Monzon for God's sake!!! It kills me!! Speaking of punchers in Monzon's resume, the above list provided by McVey should certainly suffice IMO, but you can also list the similarly often maligned Benvenuti to that list as well. Taking the best of the 4 years younger Rodrigo Valdez in his last two bouts is testimony enough...unless he wasn't "puncher" enough for some of you.

 

I didn't compare Valdez to anyone you f*cking ret*rd.
Bouttier was younger than Monzon and at 5'9.5"a goodsized middleweight
Licata Was 10years younger.
Tonna Younger and 5'9.5"
Bogs Younger and 5'9.5"
Valdez 4 years younger and 5'9.5"
Mundine Younger and 5'10"
Your problem is you can't read properly ,neither can you write intelligibly ,you are basically special needs level.


You are a sub normal **** who gets exposed on a daily basis but is too stupid to even comprehend the level of his embarrassment

You've been made to look the complete mong that you are ,and on your own thread!

Go take a walk on the freeway and do us all a favour.

 

So a fighter who has a few fights at lightweight ,and TWELVE YEARS later challenges for the middleweight title a weight he has been unbeaten at for SIX YEARS,is a blown up lightweight ?
Have you any comprehension how ridiculously absurd that stance is ?

nb "What punchers did Monzon face?"
Valdez is number 29 on the Ring's 100 greatest punchers of all time.



Have you considered poison?atsch

 

It's OK to have someone else at number one but when Carlos Monzon's outside your top three it's probably time for a rethink. Marcel Cerdan's career is open to interpretation. Monzon's career is open to little more than a potato gun.

His title KO against Nino, TKO over Griffith, decision over Briscoe and decision over Valdez are all quality wins, the last three of which had put in some nice work before their title chance. We can agree Nino had seen better days but then the way Monzon took him out picks up the slack.

It's telling to hear what Monzon's opponents said of him. Briscoe humbly acknowledged he was 100% better in the rematch while Valdez, a very proud Latino simply offered that "Well, Monzon was good", no "My hand wasn't good" or "I was past my best". Actually, if we're to cut the cake evenly it will be seen that from '73 onwards Monzon was a gunshot victim and never quite as fast, solidifying the image of that lumbering champion.

To repeat Valdez's dimensions as some indicator of weakness is to turn a blind eye to the fact he was the only man to crack Bennie Briscoe - one boxing's true iron men.

 

You said Monzon never fought a puncher,I proved you are yet again talking out of your ignorant a*se.

There are only 5 middleweights in front of him on that list.

Ketchel
Fitzsimmons
Robinson
Jackson
McClellan

BTW Briscoe is no 34! Monzon no 40!
Watch this and tell me Valdez was not a big puncher.

And while you are at it ,tell me who else stopped Briscoe in his total of 96 fights?
You f*cking idiot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujf3ld5HhcA


You have no new info for me ,I lived through the Monzon years.

"Creaky Briscoe" lost his challenge to Monzon in1972,he was still rated no 6 in 1976 4 years later ,and fought Valdez for the vacant WBC &WBA undisputed titles in1977!

Bottom line Monzon fought Valdez twice and beat him twice despite being past his best on both occasions.Monzon was 2 months off of 34 in their first fight and 1 month off 35 for the rematch.

When Monzon retired Valdez became the undisputed champion ,so much for your assertion that he was past his best you MORON!

 

I confidently pick Valdez to beat the versions of those men that Hagler fought.

To use your own rationale:
One was a blown up lightweight.The other two were blown up welterweights!

 

Two natural welters and a natural lightweight who combined didn't hold any version of the title near as long as Monzon?

Is there any consistency to your arguments?