Carlos Monzon. An examination of his resume reveals

Certainly if you consider both hands maybe yes. Valdez was the harder puncher overall as Monzons left hook was not a major weapon.

 

Valdez fought 34 fighters while weighing under 154lbs ,he stopped 16 of them.
The 39 other opponents he faced were when he scaled 154lbs or more,he stopped 26 of that 39!

 

is it wrong that I enjoy the Mendoza and mcvey battles?

 

I just get kind of embarrassed for Mendoza, really.

 

Griffith was the number one contender he had won his last 10 fights beating 4 rated middleweight contenders and one rated light heavyweight.
Valdez had not lost a fight in 6 years!
He was on a 27 fight winning streak with 21 stoppages!
Valdez had not made welter weight for 6 years!

He was a full blown middleweight at 5'9.5"

Were the following blown up lower weight fighters?
Bouttier
Cohen
Licata
Boggs
Briscoe
Valdez
Tonna
Benvenuti

This has been an enjoyable thread for me.
Once again you have been brutally exposed ,and no one deserves to be more .

 

yeah but that's part of the fun :rasta

 

I disagree with everyone else and I agree with you tbh.

I'm proud of your ****ysis and I assume your consistent with the way you view blown up fighters and post fight record, I mean why wouldn't you be consistent?

With this legendary consistency in mind, how do you view James J Jeffries resume because almost all of this he faced were either smaller blown up men and or men who would go on to have a woeful record.

 

Fly -ointment,ointment-fly?

 

I'm not entirely convinced he will say Jeffries had a poor resume, I wonder why?

 

No you don't

 

"It is pretty much accepted that Monzon reigned over a weaker time of middleweights."

Accepted by whom? It is your position to justify down-grading Monzon's accomplishments. Some might agree with you, but I don't believe all do. I don't. Proving a weak era is difficult.

"Griffith after losing to Monzon in 1973 won just 6 of his next 14 fights."

And going into the first fight with Monzon, Griffith had won 10 in a row, and would win his next 6. He was on a 25-4 roll with his only losses to Benvenuti, Napoles, and Kitten Hayward, and the Hayward loss was quickly avenged.

"Valdez was 2-2 after Monzon"

Actually 4-2, which is one way of juggling stats and records.

Another is that over the last ten years of his career, Valdez lost only to Monzon and Corro, world champions.

As for Valdez's punching power at middle, not only does he have a good statistical record, but he is the only one able to stop Briscoe in 96 fights.

"most were blown up lower weight fighters"

Well, if Monzon came along in 1946, whom would he have fought?

An aging Zale. A smallish, crude Graziano. Puffed up welter Cerdan. Puffed up welter Robinson. And an aging and slipping LaMotta who was having trouble making weight at 160. He might well have done as well with that group as he did in the 1970's.

The Ketchel era? Ketchell and Papke? Watch the film.

The 1920's? All time greats Walker and Greb would have been super tough, but Walker fits your description of a puffed up welter, as do Tommy Ryan, Kid McCoy, Robinson, and Leonard.

 

Hey Mendoza how do you rate Jeffries resume compared to Monzon's?