Carlos Monzon. An examination of his resume reveals

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  1. IntentionalButt

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  2. IntentionalButt

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    ...or Vitali's, for that matter.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Interesting, I've always found some similarities with Monzon and Vitali when it comes to their fighting styles.

    Both have that "ugly but effective" thing going for them. Far from graceful but they know how to judge distance very well. They would lean back from punches, the way you're not supposed to, but often get away with it due to their judgement of distance, as well as their height/reach. Not likely to take you out with a single punch, but they had heavy hands and let them take its course on an opponent, plus they seemed to have real mean, sadistic streaks to them where they enjoyed punishing opponents. A little step or two to the side here and there, and suddenly they were in a difficult position for their opponent to catch them. Monzon was a little more orthodox, while Vitali did unusual things but made it work for him.

    Naturally, the main difference is their resume/achievements, in which their is no comparison. Vitali gets credit for fighting well at an old age, dominating mediocre opposition, H2H mythical matchups, and sometimes people resort to talking about how great he was at "winning rounds". Monzon consistently beat the best guys at middleweight, and is one of the greatest middleweights ever.

    But stylewise, if I'm gonna liken Vitali's style to a past great, the closest I can come up with is Monzon.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Not a bad comparison at all, both liked to control things from long range, both were less than aesthetically pleasing to watch [imo,] but effective and bossed fights.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Jeffries won the title with just 11 recorded fight and cleaned out #1-3 ( Fitz, Corbett, and Sharkey ) in the division in a years' time.

    This would be equal to say Ali beating Frazier, Foreman and Norton in a years time or Louis beating Schmeling, Walcott and say Baer in a years time.

    Monzon was wise to quit when he did. Jeffries was not. Jeffries quit too young and came back too old. You could say both beat mostly smaller men, but I think Monzon's faced fewer punches and did not face much faster or opponents for the most part that hit as hard.

    Nat Fleischer wrote that Jeffries beat the best competition. Monzon's competition judged by his contemporaries was not as great.

    Both had great stamina. Jeffries I think to hit harder in a pound for pound sense and took the better punch. Monzon had the more classical offensive skills, but there is not clear film on a prime Jeffries outside of training / sparring in his prime where he looks agile, accurate, and strong.

    Was that what you were looking for?
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Vitali hit harder than Moznon, and in a round won vs. rounds lost perspective was better than anyone who fought at the championship level I can think of.

    For a big man, Vitali was good on defense, could counter, and land odd angle shots. He fougth to engange smartly on his terms.

    Vitlai's longevigty was also superior. Monzon, I think hung up them just as he was slowing down at age 34 in 1977. If Monzon was active until age 37, he's likley losing some.

    Halger vs Monzon 1978 anyone?
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    Vitali hit harder than Monzón, yes, but they're still in the same tier of "grind you down with accumulation to get the stoppage" guys. It wasn't like Vitali was ever a one-hit KO machine.
     
  8. mcvey

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    VITLAI hit harder than MOZNON.:think
    Did he hit harder than HALGER?
    I'll give you VITLAI was smart at ENGANGING and being a lot bigger his LONGEVIGTY may have been superior , but I never saw him in the shower ,so I'll have to trust you on that one.:good
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    Cheap shots, vey.

    Spelling Schmeling. :bart
     
  10. mcvey

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    Indulge an old man:lol:
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Better stated is Vitali was very heavy handed and fought to his advantge which meant he didn't fully comit as often as most puncher did.

    Vitali has 22 KO's inside two rounds, some of where were name / ranked guys in Hide, Solis and Johnson.

    But we agree, he hit harder. Also, what were the glove sizes in Mozon's day. Vitali had heavier gloves, I'm pretty sure. Also Monzon scored some stoppages past 12 rounds. Vitali might have 1 or 2 more KO wins if he was scheled to go 15. Briggs comes to mind
     
  12. mcvey

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    An examination of your posts on this thread reveals what most already knew.:yep
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    ..but all of those points are surely tempered by the fact (at least I hope we can agree on this being a fact, though your "examination" of Monzón's résumé and rose lenses for Eisenfaust give me pause..) that Monzón fought the much stiffer and tougher competition?
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    All you've done is reply with 3 blown up LHW fighters who all went on to have very average records post Jeffries.

    Please show me natural HW opposition in their prime that he beat.
     
  15. WhyYouLittle

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    Mostly old too.