Carlos Monzon dropped 3 times and nearly stopped by Felipe Cambeiro

Conteh stopped Bogs in 7. Get an idea lad.

 

Real man. That's my verdict.

On the point Cotto made about Monzon being a better fighter, that is actually subjective and debatable in a pure sense, but Monzon was certainly the greater fighter, what a ring presence he had.

 

Of course, Monzon was a fantastic fighter, but never really fancied the job at 175. No shame in that, he was a fully fledged middle who was perfect at that weight. Conteh was previously a heavyweight so Carlos' strength (so dominant at 160) wouldn't likely ever be a factor if they met.

 

I'm feeling some Carlos Monzon tribute vids.

 

Haha, and to think this thread was actually started on a negative note regarding Monzon as a fighter!

 

Bogs got pulled out by his corner at the end of round 6\7(i'd need to watch it again to be sure)on cuts, though it looked more that it was being used as an excuse to save him from further punishment as he was starting to take a terrible beating and likely going to get badly kocked out sooner rather than later.I'd certainly classify it as an easy routine win, despite the first round knockdown, which while embarassing, was more of a fluke than anything else.bogs was almost behind him when he threw the punch, though it's a classic case of the old cliche "protect yourself at all times".


I think Conteh probably took the aging Bogs lightly, especially as he showed him nothign but disdain defensively even after the knockdown.He might have suffered an embarassing early knockout had he got himself in that position against a proper light heavy puncher.

Incidentally,looking at those two fights you see the difference in body strength between a big middle like Bogs or MONzon and a big light heavy that had fought heavyweights.Bogs was physically outmatched and had to use his mobility to stay awayand was manhandled up close, whereas he was the Napoles'esque stalker against Monzon and ripping combo's, though Carlos zeroed in beautifully with the right hand in his oft-favoured fifth round.

 

...at the very beginning of the 7th mate. John came out but doc stopped it.

 

So what's your posting name about then Conteh? If you don't mind me asking, i've never known.

 

cOTTO20;

Oscar Larios went the full 12 with Manny Pac.

In one of their encounters Israel Vasquez sparked him in the first.

Vasquez over Pac? Nope. That's why the fighter A beats Fighter B but C struggles with B so A must beat B DOES NOT WORK!!!

Especially when you get the result wrong.

You are showing your idiocy all acorss eastside with your ridiculous and ill-informed 'who does paul williams think he is' thread on the British forum and incessent 'fantasy match-up's'.

Come back when you have a clue :good

 

No.

 

still looking for frankenfrank/boilermaker's reply :think

 

Well since you are so interested,

Foster is very overated. He obviously has great light heavyweight power, but that is about it. He needs more than power to beat a great like Monzon. Monzon wasnt the Fastest middleweight or even the hardest hitting. What he was, was probably the most precise hitting with a very simple but solid defence. This is bad news for Foster. Foster, as i am sure you are aware uses the old style low hands defence. He also stands unbelieveably side on. This means he cannot move sideways effectively, and he really is very, very poor with his footwork. ONe of the worst, i have seen from an ATG. I believe that these factors as much as anything is what hurt him, when he fought the very best Heavyweights.

Against Monzon it is going to be very bad news. Monzon will simply land his shots all day, as Foster is too stationery. And the side stance will mean that he will rarely if ever land his right cleanly on Monzon. Monzon, like with most o fhis opponents will land his shots precisely and cleanly and eventually will wear Foster down. Foster, of course retains the punchers chance, and will look good for a few rounds until Monzon starts to wear him down but Monzon will eventually catch up with him. To be honest, i would be quite surprised if Monzon did not Knock him out.

 

There's no way Monzon beats Foster. Period.

 

Actually, none of that would play to his disadvantage against Monzon, as Monzon was just as upright and stationary as Foster. You fail to point that out in your post. Only a fighter with excellent footwork and angle movement would, theoretically, do so well against Foster. Monzon was as straight up and down as any elite boxer has ever been. A better in-fighter than Foster for sure, but I doubt if a proven LHW and inside powerhouse in Tiger isn't getting anything going there, than Monzon isn't either.

Monzon was simply not a LHW. You're a good writer Boilermaker, but a lot of words don't neccessarily make a sound point. And you rarely do with yours.

 

Foster looks pretty sharp here against the game Chris Finnegan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laGjKGxYEUA

Conteh giving Tom Bogs a beating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJnQRh06Nv8