Carlos Monzon dropped 3 times and nearly stopped by Felipe Cambeiro

Fair comments regarding Monzon's movement. But it is the low guard that kills Foster. You surely dont think that a low guard is a good idea against Monzon. Particularly when your chin has been cracked (admittedly by bigger and heavier fighters) quite a bit. I think that being stationery is less of a problem when your defence is an awful lot tighter, like Monzons was. That is why i think that he eventually wears Foster down.

I know some people think that because Monzon never fought at light heavyweight, he will fold to the bigger power (like some people, wrongly in my opinion, seem to think foster did when he faced a heavyeight), but i dont think it is realistically.

 

I think Monzon has a good chance against Foster and a better chance against Conteh. All things considered, he was a better fighter than either. Say what you will descriptively about his style, it was one of the most effective styles ever to be displayed in the ring. I put my money on effectiveness not aesthetics. The fact he was an overwhelmingly superior fighter to either makes me think he would have a chance regardless of carrying less pop or weight. ****, how many posters on here think Greb or Langford would destroy either Klitschko? And we are not even talking that level of discrepancy.

 

Can't bet against Foster, but whether he'd spark Monzon is another matter, same with Spinks-Hagler.

Now I know there is a gulf between the punches of middleweights and light heavyweights - especially such hard hitting ones - but we are talking about two middleweights who not only were never stopped, but who were almost never even floored - Hagler, never, and Monzon just once over the last thirteen years of his career for a no-count. You'd do well to supply more than one or two examples where they were even briefly stunned. With Hagler, about the best you'll do is the Hearns right hand that apparently wobbled his legs (but half of us didn't even notice that).

We are talking not Gene Fullmers or Tony Zales, but men with even harder jaws that had the survival skills and defence to back it up. I don't think that, unless old, Hagler and Monzon - the most unstoppable of middleweights - would be flat on their back just because they fought a hard hitting fighter fifteen pounds heavier.

 

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'Unless old', you ****ing smart-arsed ****. Tiger was nowhere near his best - and this is coming from a big Foster fan.

 

Not sure if a prime Dick Tiger could have taken that bomb of a left hook either.

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Bob Foster has cracked a chin comparable to Hagler's or Monzon's but I don't think either of them ever fought a puncher like Foster.

 

Monzon never fought a SRR 6 times, in fact how many punchers did he face 4 /5?

 

Dear me! Over reaction there me thinks.:roll:

 

A lighter Ray Robinson you mean?

On the flipside, Robinson himself - how many punchers did he face?

Since you asked about Monzon, he not only survived Rodrigo Valdez twice but he took all he could handle and gave even more back. And against Bennie Briscoe. Proof enough, I think, combined with another eighty odd fights without being dropped or stopped.

 

Don't mistake profanity for anger :good

 

Profanity should be as a result of anger, it has no function otherwise.

 

Oh please, "a lighter Robinson"! SRR was an alltime puncher at Welter AND Middle.Robinson could knock you out going backwards.
Monzon met two punchers one of whom dropped him. NEITHER HIT REMOTELY IN THE SAME STRATOSPHERE AS FOSTER.

I think you will find Monzon was floored in early domestic fights.


.What relevance has the amount of punchers Robinson faced have to do with this ?
I tell you this,I beleive Foster hit hard enough to ko a prime Tiger,and hard enough to stop a prime Monzon.
Monzon was durable ,of course he was, but super durable ? The Jury is still out imo.
Monzon made more use of his physical size than any fighter I can think of, BUT he NEVER beat a significantly bigger man,I dont suggest a blow out by any means ,but I can see Monzon with his eye closed having been dropped a couple of times finally wilting under a late assault.
Monzon would have lost to Conteh and Galindez imo,never mind Foster.

 

I DO think Foster would stop Hagler and Monzon. It's hard to conceive because neither of them have come close to being stopped. It's almost hard to visualise what a stoppage of them would look like.

But Foster is something else. I honestly think Spinks would stop them both, mainly based on the fact that those guys were physically perfect middleweights. I just can't conceive of them being any bigger AND being effective.

By the way, THAT punch which supposedly wobble Hagler (!) is that the punch that broke Hearns' hand? Says a lot about the toughness of Hagler's head.

 

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Capital letters - result of anger?

I know Monzon was dropped early in his career, I said he wasn't stopped in eighty odd fights after that. And he was only in his second year as a professional, shouldn't count for much. Hagler was sent reeling by Dornell Wigfall...

Robinson was a great puncher at welterweight and probably 'still very handy' at middleweight. But LaMotta, being naturally heavier, would be less fazed by Robinson's punches than Carlos Monzon would be by Rodrigo Valdez', surely?

Unless you think Robinson hit harder than Valdez.

Boxing is a bit more than 'who did he beat.' I predicted Monzon wouldn't be knocked out by Foster, not that he'd tie Foster into a little bow and post him back to Argentina.