Carlos Monzon... Educate Me

I'm not accusing you of being biased because you're a good poster, but you're plain wrong on this one and I suspect you're just looking for an argument.

Monzon was the one missing much more, despite huge advantages in range and size, e.g. at 0:38, 1:38, 1:55, 4:50 in the video I posted where he is made to look like a complete amateur. And those are just the biggest examples. Monzon is constantly jabbing, throwing maybe 40 jabs a round here, and I'd say fewer than 5 actually land.

And like I said, Napoles the Lightweight has his own success particularly at 2:38, 5:20, 6:20 as well as by actually out-jabbing Monzon the Middleweight a lot of the time.

The fight only becomes one-sided in the last two rounds after Napoles gets cut and Monzon starts to land the stuff he had been missing wildly when Mantequilla could actually see.

 

Pointing out singular few-second examples of success in a 6 round fight doesn't really prove much. Even in the early rounds, where Napoles was having the most success, he was rarely landing anything significant, and even most of those well educated hooks he was attacking with were more often than not deflected while Monzon was just looking to time the range and fall into his usual groove. As per usual, he found that range around the 5th round (check his track record, that's usually when he started to take over after a few feeling out rounds) and started pummeling Napoles.

You could argue that Monzon didn't dominate the early rounds, but to say he won most of them because you weren't impressed with Monzon's accuracy doesn't really equate when he wasn't doing much of note himself. Again, I've seen the fight many times. Not in a while, admittedly, but I never got that impression. Also, someone like you assuming that I'm the one baiting for an argument is frankly laughable. That seems to be your forte' around these parts.

 

You really think that the cut saved the day? Monzon was going to win that fight cut or not.

 

As well described in an issue of Sports Illustrated, Monzon was rather majestic in his pace for this fight...he was in no hurry at all with Napoles, and was just warming up to the task by the end of the 6th round...the cut was an incidental byproduct of the unhurried, steady beating that Carlos was putting on Mantequilla..he was setting Jose up with the left and was just beginning to use the right with lethal intentions..he was going to beat Napoles..one of my favorite fighters ever, by the way..like a rag doll as the fight progressed. Angelo Dundee was prattling on about the cut and all, but he changed his tune a day or so after the fight and deemed Monzon a "super champion", and went on to praise Monzon most effusively...and you know Itrimariti, in most if not all cases aside from Monzon, I think you're a superb poster..you're on target about so much, but you're all wet and sticky about Carlos Monzon..you have a terminal "scotoma"..or blind spot anout him, and what I'm saying about Monzon isn't meant in any way to try to convince you, so the beat goes on.

 

I did that too.

I pretty much agree 100% with your description of Napoles vs Monzon though.

 

:-(You guys are really fueling the fire for Pachilles now.

 

Most likely. The power would eventually have slowed Mantequilla down. The point I was trying to make was that Monzon's physicality was the difference in the fight, and that he was really getting completely embarassed in terms of skills at times. A bigger Jose would clearly have pissed all over Monzon ten times in a night.

 

RE Hagler/Duran, it was the early rounds that did it for me. I had Duran winning at least 4 of the first 5 IIRC, which left him only needing to nick or make even the odd round in the rest of the fight. I just felt he was doing the cleaner punching in those rounds, even if Hagler was more active. Hagler should have jabbed more and pressed the action more.