Carlos Monzon (prime) vs. Marvin Hagler (prime)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by The Fighting Yoda, Sep 23, 2021.


Who wins?

  1. Monzon by KO

    2 vote(s)
    5.0%

  2. Monzon on Points

    12 vote(s)
    30.0%

  3. Hagler by KO

    5 vote(s)
    12.5%

  4. Hagler on Points

    21 vote(s)
    52.5%

  5. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    I know that there have been quite a few threads on this. But anyway, it's an interesting fight and I think the last prime Hagler vs. prime Monzon thread is already a while ago.

    So tough to decide. I think Hagler was maybe a bit more impressive during his reign. On the flip side, Monzon was already 28 when he fought against Benvenuti for the title (arguably his prime). Afterwards he had more and more problems with his hands (arthritis) and since 1973 he had a bullet in his shoulder (his wife shot him).

    Hagler, on the other hand, became champion at 26 and he had with 28 one of his most impressive title defenses against Tony Sibson.

    All in all, I slightly favor Hagler at his best. I think he was overall more skilled. Monzon was cold-blooded and effective though. I wouldn't be surprised about a Monzon win either.
     
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  2. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Always has and always will be a 50 - 50 fight ,,, no matter how many kick and scream otherwise
    same with their historical rating .. they are as equal as equal can be
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    If forced to pick i would ever so damn slightly, with the difference being minuscule go for Monzon. Lets say 53-47, not even 55-45.

    I'd not argue with anyone going either way as long as they acknowledge it would be a close hard fight with no stoppage. I think a stoppage prediction would be crazy unless you somehow hedged your bet on a Hagler cut but i think his skin would hold up just fine at his peak.
     
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  4. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Monzon together with Jackson is one of the few middleweight who can drop Hagler imo.

    60/40 fight for Monzon.
     
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  5. Mighty

    Mighty The Gypsy King banned Full Member

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    Hagler would beat the crap out of him. Monzon is overrated.
     
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  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler points win.Monzon looks unimpressive on film, quite slow and predictable
     
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  7. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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  8. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Hmm, maybe the link isn't working. It's from ********* (Getting To Know Carlos Monzon).

    Okay, anyway. (it is still hidden)
     
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  9. George forearm

    George forearm The forearm of George Full Member

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    OK, I guess even fighters with iron clad records can be "overrated" now.
     
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  10. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    Monzon was not a one punch knockout machine. He is not going to drop Hagler.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    Monzon has the same sort of system Wladimir Klitschko has. Control with the jab, create space to muffle attacks and punish opponents that are too adventurous. Hagler was very good in every department, and that alone is a basis for picking him against Monzon. However what makes me think that maybe Monzon should be favoured on points is that Hagler was pretty cautious against Duran, and respected the other guy's abilities. I think Hagler would have to be on fire against Monzon, because if he's cautious and tries to outbox him he's probably going to lose on points.
     
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  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I'm gonna go with Hagler to win by a late stoppage or maybe a decision. I think he could give Monzon different looks, keep him off balance. Hagler was a guy that could switch stances and be effective in either one.
    Monzon was a great ring general but perhaps here he meets his match. If you gave Carlos the same look predictable he would pull away by midfight. It is an intriguing matchup.
     
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  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Providing Marvin does n't come in all cautious as he sometimes did against elite fighters,I back him to beat Carlos by a close UD. Both guys tough as teak but I see Hagler's skill level superior.
     
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  14. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Hagler and its not even close
     
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  15. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    Other than the Duran fight, when did this occur? I know he stupidly started orthodox in the SRL bout but yeah
     
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