Carlos Monzon (prime) vs Roy Jones Jr (prime)

So Duran was primitive? Leonard was primitive? Ali was primitive? Napoles was primitive?

What a foolish post.

 

OK, that is not the question at hand, the question is whether or not he'd beat them in a head to head matchup.

He said himself he trained only on certain areas, which is why he rarely sparred hard, and his stamina was really a physical marvel, considering he drank, smoked, and rarely trained all out.

His reasoning for his lack of training effort was that so many fighters hurt themselves more in hard training and were completely spent by fight time, which is why it was only a custom for him to work on certain things before a fight. And it worked.

 

Ali was somewhat primitive, he'd lose to most super heavy's, especially Lennox and Vit Klit/Bowe.

 

Oh my you should have your glasses checked. Don't even care to explain what I have already written in english.

 

You said they would all beat him, clear as day. What else am I supposed to interpret that as?

 

Smoking and drinking worked - come on - you can do better than that.

I understand what you are trying to say, however, and that is pretty possible that it worked - back then. Today? No.

Why do people contineously think that boxing is so different than any other sport.

Would Pele be able to outdribble 5 men and score today? No, the game has evolved. Would Wilt Chamberlain be able to score 100 pts in a game today? No he wouldn't. Would they be good if they were born today? Yes.

Stop being a bunch of romanticists.

 

Where did I say they were primitive? They were the height of their time and era. Just like any other legend of any time in boxing. What I did say was that such a lifestyle would not work today - and I also said, that "does this mean he has less talent than them? No".

 

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Please come and explain yourselves.

 

You're comparing a sport in basketball that became professional in 1946, and evolved to the point where it was modern in the 60's and 70's. Roughly 25 years.

Boxing, under Queensbury rules, started in 1867 I believe, and I'd say it reached it's more modern stage around the late 30's and 40's. Roughly 50-60 years. I'm actually being a lot harder on boxing in that sense than I am the other sports, considering I think it took a lot longer for it to reach it's modern state.

Again, watch footage of a guy like Duran and tell me he wouldn't be able to last with anyone today. Do you think Leonard was primitive as well? Napoles?

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If you were saying this about fighter of the early 1900's I'd agree with you, but the 70's? That is ridiculous and shows a huge lack of knowledge about the sport and it's fighters especially.

 

Why would the lifestyle not work today? Why would smoke and booze effect him worse today than it did then?

Obviously his lifestyle was not ideal, even for his time. But he was a marvel. Most people of any era couldn't do what he did and be successful, but that was part of Monzon's legend.

 

Basketball might be a young sport, but sports aren't. However, the science of nutrition, careful monitored training are a relatively new science.

Martina Navratilova was one of the first females in tennis that inducted such a lifestyle, and therefore he totally dominated tennis.

Football is old, soccer is old. Look at tapes from these sports from the 70s and compare them with today. They are in slowmotion in comparison.

Hell, look at the film of Monzon and compare them with RJJ. The speed of the game is different. The competition is simply stiffer, and therefore you can't go around smoking and drinking and still be no. 1. You could back then, if you were a physical marvel like Monzon. Simply because of the conditions of the game.

Look at tapes of SRR, can compare them with an elite of today. Anyone with eyes and some kind of objectivity would see that he would be knocked out within 3 rounds today, if using a timewarp machine. However, had he been born today, he would likely dominate as well.