Carlos Monzon (Ripped by Sports Illustrated)

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    One thing about Monzon that makes him unique to all other great Latin fighters..he was never humbled in the ring i.e., he was never stopped. He never let fire and passion get in the way of victory..he was always cool and composed...and above all, he is one of a handful of fighters who retired at the top.
     
  2. Hands of Iron

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1092673/index.htm

    August 1977

    When it was all over last Saturday in Monte Carlo, Carlos Monzon gingerly eased the position of his battered body on the rubdown table and permitted himself a small, almost silent laugh. He was still the middleweight champion of the world, but Rodrigo Valdes had forced him to fight 15 punishing and bloody rounds to prove it. At the end, it took a great effort for Monzon just to stand and hear the decision. His face was cut and puffed, his right hand was almost useless. And now, only minutes after returning to his dressing room, he seemed ready at last to give it all up.

    The bitter amusement passed swiftly. Monzon seldom shows emotion and he is even more miserly with any sign of humor. "It is done," the now full-time Argentine film star said flatly. "I have done it all. I leave it now to the young fighters."

    It is the right time. Monzon has been champion for nearly seven years and he has been undefeated in 83 fights since 1964, but age has started robbing him of his marvelous skills and awesome power. He will be 35 in a few days. His film career is launched; he has $2 million salted away in a New York bank; he owns apartment houses, thousands of acres of ranchland and a Mercedes-Benz agency in Argentina. What does he need boxing for?

    "He needs it because he is an animal and he lives for macho," said Rodolfo Sabbatini, who promotes Monzon's fights in Monte Carlo and produces his films in Rome. "He says he is retiring, but next January or February he will call me and say, 'How come you haven't got me a fight? I'm coming back.' By the end of the year eliminations will bring a new champion, and then Monzon will have to fight the man who succeeds him. It's his macho."

    Proving his macho has always been Monzon's undoing. Because of fights in the streets he spent a lot of time in jail between the ages of 16 and 26. He was lucky that his manager, Amilcar Brusa, also trained the police boxing team. They say that Monzon was paroled on Saturdays so he could fight as a professional. On Sundays it was back into the slammer. There may be some truth to it. He recently appealed and won a release from another 18-month sentence for assault but reportedly still faces an eight-month sentence on another charge.

    "He's got a big file, about 40 arrests," says Sabbatini. "It's not true when they say the best fighters come from ghettos. The best ones come from jail. But that is good. If they didn't lock up those animals, the streets wouldn't be safe for us."

    When Sabbatini speaks of Monzon, it is with the curious mixture of amusement and an almost parental pride. With great relish he tells of Monzon meeting Helmut Berger, the German movie star. It was last February in Rome, just after Monzon had completed his most recent film, one aptly titled II Macho.

    "Berger was pretty drunk and he sat on Monzon's lap," Sabbatini said. "Then he tried to put his hand inside of Monzon's shirt. Monzon threw him across the room and was going after him when my driver Gino stopped him. Gino is a big guy. He is Monzon's bodyguard in Rome."

    To protect Monzon from the adoring public?

    Sabbatini roared with laughter. "No, to protect him from what can happen to the public."
     
  3. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I saw the Carlos-Licata fight closed circuit in the summer of 75', first fight of a tri-bill. The other two? Galindez-Ahumada from the Garden and the snooze-fest, thanks to the underachieving Bugner, Ali-Bugner from Kuala Lampur.
    Thank goodness for the Victor-Jorge scrap.
    Licata was, I think, 50-0-1 coming in; his previous competition not so great tho recently I think he had scored some 'decent' wins against semi-contenders.
    It basically was a man in against a boy. Early on, we realized it was only a matter of time.
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Argentinian's in Buenos Aires,

    Say that Carlos Monzon's 'two fights' with Jorge 'Gallego' Fernandez in 1966 and 1967
    were the best fights they ever saw in the mid-60's.

    Jorge Fernandez, was a 5' 5" 'buzzsaw', who was the Welterweight and Light-Middleweight Champion
    of Argentina at that time.

    In Septmber 1966 and June 1967, at Estadio Luna Park, the 31 year-old gave the
    bigger and younger 24 year-old Carlos Monzon a hell of a pounding, only to
    lose 'two' 'razor-thin' 12-Round Decisions to the 7" taller boxer-puncher.

    'Gallego' got inside and under Monzon, and just worked at a non-stop pace on his
    thin body.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This
     
  6. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    I would've loved to seen how Monzon would have done against the type of competition Robinson fought. Because Carlos didn't fight anywhere near the level of competition Ray did. Even at a advanced age for the time, he was fighting much tougher fighters, and still regaining his title.
     
  7. Lord Tywin

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    Monzon is very overrated by some. His size and awkwardness would give a lot of people problems but his level of competition is weak compared to most other all time greats, and he often went out of his way to fight these guys.

    He came in to the Benvenuti fight as an unknown with a glossy record but if youve seen how boxing in Argentina was conducted in the 1960s and 1970s you can easily see how he got that record.

    Some people act like he was this power punching killer in the ring. He wasnt. He was an awkwardly elusive fighter who used his height and reach to keep the action to a minimum.

    I concede that hes a tough match, but hes boring and his wins arent overly impressive in light of the competition he was facing.
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

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    November 16, 1970

    Champion Nino Benvenuti vs #1 Carlos Monzon

    Before entering the bout versus Nino Benvenuti in Italy,

    The question was 'Who Is Carlos Monzon'

    Though rated as the #1 Middleweight, he was regarded by the boxing pundits,
    as slow and clumsy, and had built up his record versus virtual unknowns in
    Argentina, less a handful of Top 20 fighters.

    He only has a powerful right hand, they said. He didn't have good boxing skills,
    and he didn't have a left hand either.

    Despite the 69-3-9 (44 KO's) record, we cannot find one top caliber opponent.
    Who Is Carlos Monzon ?

    But immediately in the Championship Bout, Monzon showed how tough he could be.
    He was 'rough-in-the-clinches', where he manhandled Nino.

    He head butted Nino in the chest, and shoved his shoulder under Nino's chin.

    This all before the 4th Round.

    The Italian knew, that this was going to be a long night.
     
  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great info Pepe !! :thumbsup good to see something about Monzon pre-world title......
    Just two years before this fight Monzon lost a fight here in Brazil to Felipe Cambeiro, Monzon was down 3 times, I would love to watch this fight.....
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Senor Pepe is the best poster on the board.
     
  11. Danmann

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    Pepe, Condon was also a Garden publicist (not one I mentioned earlier beging abused by Monzon) and court=side announcer for New York Knicks games
    He aslo ran boxing for a while at Garden.
     
  12. Danmann

    Danmann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did lack power. What did people think of his chances at pro, was he considered type to do as well as he did?
     
  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Seems like American bias against a great Latin fighter.

    Monzon was a great fighter and a winner. Maybe not always a spectacular performer.

    Look at the way Trinidad destroyed Joppy. Then the way Hopkins systemactially broke Joppy down. Looking at those two fights you may think Trinidad was the greater fighter. He was the more spectacular performer. Berinard Hopkins just won. Its what he did.

    Its what Caros Monzon did.
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :dealYou can't knock a guy who always won, but it happens..some fans can forgive a loser but not a winner.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I think the OP, SP, might be leading the race for 2012 MVP of the ESB CBF. :think VIP, certainly, but MVP likely, IMO.