Carlos Monzon (Ripped by Sports Illustrated)

Thank you for the info, Senor Pepe'. Appreciate that.

 

This post is a joke on too many levels.

As I'm no criminal, I am therefore no hypocrite in liking boxing OR in disliking fighters who are criminals. Your post seems to imply we should knowingly love boxing's criminals . . . are are "hypocrites" if we don't! (We'd only be hypocrites if we were criminals ourselves, or has that thought not dawned on you before throwing out accusations of hypocrisy?)

Yeah, I guess "pouty, narcissistic ***gots" in tennis are worse than murderers like Monzon. I don't in the slightest knock his boxing stature because of his criminal ways, but is there ANYONE here who doesn't love Monzon, passionately, DESPITE his being a killer? And an ******* when he wasn't killing, as was the romanticized ******* Jake LaMotta? The man-love for Monzon here is unbelievable.

"pouty, narcissistic ***gots" -- sounds like Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

 

No, I'll just like the fighters who aren't criminals. Luckily, there appear to be plenty.

 

It isn't man-lover, you immature drama queen. You're trying too hard to equate the value of a fighter in proportion to their out of the ring criminal misdeeds. Do you ever make the same value judgements in a thread about Mike Tyson? Sonny Liston? SRR? What the hell do their criminal indescretions have to do with anything put forth in a thread about them anyway? Is that all you have to carp about? How about Evander Holyfield and his 2,457 wives and 45.000 children? Would you like to opine about that whenever a thread comes along about him? If you had been even minimally attentive to the threads I've made in the past, I make it clear that Monzon was MONSTER..I make no bones about that..but it has NOTHING to do with his relative worth as a fighter. If a criminal past and misdeeds of a great fighter turns you off so much that you feel impelled to make such rants about these things, you should find another sport where the participants are simon pure saints in their personal lives.
It would also be quite amusing to see who you're enthusiastic about in boxing and analyze whoever that is and determine if he lives up to myour moral standards.
Your obsession with "man love" for a fighter is kind of homoerotic in itself. What's you're problem anyway?

 

I once rented Chinatown and I loved it. Does this mean, according to this, that i'm in love with Roman Polanski and support **** and pedophilia.

 

Why yes...absolutely..A.J., if he gave it some thought, would be concerned about your "man-love" with Polansky...watch out!!

 

An extraordinary ill informed article, you could almost write the same thing about Hagler after the first Antuofirmo fight? Monzon was a beast, he did what he had to do to win and he possessed a paralyzing right hand, they didn't call him 'Shotgun' for nothing. He destroyed Benvenuti twice, he was champion for 7 years, he fought regularly, he fought the best there was at the time including one of the best Welterweight champions of all time in Jose Napoles. Monzon had his faults as a human being, but none of those faults can be found inside the ring. Can you imagine what he would've been like if had fully focused on boxing? He only began training 3 or 4 weeks before a big fight, he drank like a fish, smoked cigars and ****ed anything that moved causing his wife to shoot him in the leg in 1973! Whatever this guy's problem is with Monzon it has nothing to do with his performances in the ring. Monzon is one of the best 3 Middleweights of all time, there is no question about it. Like all fighters he had his off nights, but only Bennie Briscoe came close to beating him and even then Monzon's granite like jaw saved him and he went onto win. Monzon would've given Robinson plenty to worry about and Hagler too. Robinson had lucky escapes at his peak in 1946 against Artie Levine when he got a long count in round 4 and then again in 1949 Robinson gets a lucky draw against Henry Brimm. What happens to Robinson's career if he had lost to Levine that night? Put it down to off nights, it happens when you fight every month back in those days. Monzon only fought once in America, so i guess US fans don't know a lot about him, his biggest rival was Colombian Rodrigo Valdez who was no chump. Who wins Monzon V Hagler?..my pick is Monzon beats up on Hagler over 12 rounds.

 

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Monzon carefully cherry picked the very highest rated contenders available of his time consistently over the duration of his entire title reign. He should've done so much more than that. :rofl

 

You're an idiot.

I wrote this, "I don't in the slightest knock his boxing stature because of his criminal ways," yet you wrote the above diatribe, which included this, "You're trying too hard to equate the value of a fighter in proportion to their out of the ring criminal misdeeds" AND this, "If you had been even minimally attentive to the threads I've made in the past, I make it clear that Monzon was MONSTER..I make no bones about that..but it has NOTHING to do with his relative worth as a fighter." Great, so we agree. Then why the need for your pathetic post that drones on and on about **** I didn't say, repeated a second time by you, nor addresses what I did say?

Dickbrain, if YOU had paid minimal attention, you wouldn't keep saying I am knocking Monzon's worth as a fighter due to his crimes. I've written previously that I don't.

I HAVE said he fought relatively weak competition. That they were highly-rated speaks to how poor the division was at the time. Senor Pepe' has noted this.

I HAVE said you're ridiculous in calling someone a "hypocrite" for liking boxing merely because some criminals have been involved.

You seem to avoid dealing with these things that I wrote and instead argue with what you claim my comments to be.

And very observable "man-love" seems reserved for two fighters, period. Monzon and Duran. From many other posters, but not from me. Forget about outside the ring, to many, these two have no flaws inside the ring. Just perfect fighting machines who are apparently unbeatable.

And to you and your buddy who imply that I said one endorses Polanski's crimes if one likes his movies, I don't say that at all. In regard to him or to Monzon and his crimes. I guess the name "Red" automatically means one will be deliberately misquoting, misinterpreting, and arguing straw men. Enjoy doing it, this has been a waste of time for me.

 

Sarcasm, Senor. :good