Carlos Monzon Versus Roy Jones Jr.

That’s fine Richard. I’m not a huge Monzon fan although I’ll concede he was a tremendous fighter (his out of the ring activities have tarnished his legacy for me personally rightly or wrongly). Jones is one of my favourites because he was the best in the world when I first got interested in the sport so naturally that made an impression on me (as I suspect Monzon did with yourself) but I can understand why he’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

But saying RJJ prime was short like Tysons is simply not true.

 

I respect your opinion too Rich but great fighters usually don't know their limitations unfortunately. SRR, Charles, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Tyson, Langford, Duran, Moore, Pep, SRL, Hearns and dozens of other ATG's, like Jones, fought on too log to varying degree's. It's not always about greed and money many of them are addicted to the buzz and don't want to let go.

Rare are the guys like Lennox Lewis, Michael Spinks, Rocky, Monzon, Tunney, Mayweather and co. Jone sis just another ATG in a long line that couldn't stop.

 

Good for you Rich .. hang tough .. funny how an HBO protected fighter cant be be seen by a real boxing fan ,,, clearly a fighter who was at 168 for 2 years and for one reason or another didn't fight half of the competition ...and his 160 comp is **** compared to Monzons history title defenses there... so again Rich ... hang tough .. Monzon was always too slow ... too this too that .. until the Championship rounds came around and he figuered your ass out after smokin 2 packs of cigs a day .. and thats that ,,, stronger and more powerful than them all

 

What a dumb ****ing statement SP .. know your boxing and the rules there at the time or STFU ,, He was the underdog in his fights in Argentina starting out .. just like the 4 dumb ****s who liked your post .. dont know **** ... do your research or gtfo .. dumb ****ing idiots who dont know the scoring system ...

 

well you obviously dont know **** then do ya ?? from SA scoring (the draws) to commenting on out of the ring lifestyle ?? like that has anything to do within the ring performance ?? so if you dont know **** ,,, then do your research

 

Well, that escalated!

We knew this would light a bit of a touch paper. And here we go ...

 

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I've noticed that, too, ETM. And all the vitriol is coming from Monzon supporters.

I can't see their beef. There have been perfectly rational posts putting Jones' case forward and they're not outrageous opinions but the pro-Monzon arguments coming back are out of line, not in the spirit of the debate at all.

All this anger. Makes you wonder what they find to admire so much in Monzon.

 

I bit but deleted my post. It’s pretty pointless debating a Monzon fan because they’re beyond parochial with their guy. I acknowledge the fighter but not the person. They can’t see past that.

 

My problem is, I don't particularly rate the fighter or the person. I get what he achieved, his longevity, the number of defences and all the criteria that put him in the pantheons of the champions. I just fail to be impressed by what I see on film and I have to judge him on that.

But given how many respected people rate him, I'm prepared to admit that I'm probably missing something. They can't all be wrong so, law of averages, I am. I just don't expect that level of flexibility in the debate to be reciprocated, though. Not with a Monzonista.

 

It was a joke. Lighten up, Francis.

 

Thank You my friend.

 

I was on a rant there because the narrative that Monzon's "Draws" are used to discredit him is about as OLD and AMATUER as it gets ... And you would figure that people would put some time into it and realize there were A LOT of Draws coming out of SA with many many fighters .. because that was the scoring system there ... BUT again it's like the myth that Monzon only fought blown up welters which has been discredited here a million times .....
We all know how great of a fighter RJJ was and this would probably be a close fight whoever you think would win

 

I do not have a problem with the opinions of others but most are making it look like a blow out, but Monzon was not a stiff, Jones talks too much and complains like a little woman that he is not held in the same breath as Sugar Ray Robinson and others, greats. He should be seen and not heard. Let the boxing public rate them, Robinson won his title 5 times, Jones was a flash in the pan, no longevity there.

 

I have to agree with this i went through Monzon's career a few years back, and i respect him as a fighter. But i had the same sentiments as you i wasn't blown away when i see him on film either, he didn't do anything anything that made me go wow, or anything that really stood out about his style or fighting. I'm not trying to discredit him, but that was just my initial thoughts when i see his fights a few years back.

 

I don't really see how Roy Jones is a flash in the pan, when he was rated top 3 P4P for almost a decade. And his first legitimate loss was when he was 35 after 50 fights. I don't think his longevity was that bad compared to alot of fighters especially in the modern era.