Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

That is a clever post.

 

Monzon had a masterful sense of distance and use of his long gorilla arms to stifle his opponents' attacks. He also was good at hiding his chin when against the ropes, almost Philly style. He actually didn't get hit squarely that often. And he mixed up the speed of his punches like a great baseball pitcher... slow, slow, fast... to get that right or left hook on the spot. He was so much more than just tough.

 

...thanks...I think? clever doesn't always work out so well in my experience

 

Agreed but he wasn’t nearly as fast as Hearns nor was he a harder hitter. Hearns had a longer reach, a better jab and better over all boxing skills. In this match up Carlos would not be the bigger man in height or reach and might not even be stronger as a ripped Hearns was very strong. Here Carlos likely wins on his chin, stamina, craftiness to survive early and wearing Hearns down like he did on his title win over Nino. I think he’d be behind for the first half of bout.

 

Monzon gradually breaks him down imo.
In close he threw some debilitating body shots,,they would slowly weaken Tommy and ready him for a late rounds stoppage.

 

When I say Monzon was a monster and so tough I meant like Hagler in his ability to take it ... the only time I aw him hurt was in the Briscoe rematch and he was really rocked but he kept his wits .. even against Valdez he took a bomb flush and jumped right back up .. super durable .. Hearns would likely not last over 15 but had a chance with his boxing and speed if he was at his absolute best ..

 

'thanks...i think'? Shouldn't question a compliment.

To elaborate, I thought your observation about Monzon's evident comfort with violence was a sound one.

 

And...... Tommy Hearns LOST all the big ones. He couldn't even beat Iran Barkley.... Yet you think he has it all over Monzon....

 

Hearns beat Cuevas, Benitez, Duran and in reality SRL in the rematch. It's a long standing myth he lost all the big ones to put it mildly. If he happened to lose to Benitez or Duran they would, beyond a shadow of any doubt, be slapped in with "all the big ones". It's simply not true.

 

Attributes:
Hearns has better speed, power, as well as 2 and a half inches in height and 2 inches in reach. But looses out big in durability, endurance and stamina.
Monzon is bigger, stronger and tougher, with better accumulative damage and stamina. While the difference isn't insurmountable he doesn't have his usual height and reach advantage that he oh-so-loved to abuse.


Preferred Strategy and Fighter Patterns:
Hearns will have to be on his Ps and Qs all night. Moving around and jabbing and the occasional offensive burst while trying not to burn out or get too hurt.
Moznon will have to bide his time, be sneaky with his body attacks, feel out Hearns and to try and get off as undamaged as possible for the later stretch, where he can come forward and be more aggressive like he was in Benvenuti II when Hearns starts to tire.

Tommy had a tendency to go wild and turn slugger when hurt or if he smells blood, Carlos could rough him up good and make him pay for that. Monzon usually skitters around and jabs while observing his opponent before getting started around in round 4. This will definitely backfire against as fast a starter as Hearns.


Results:
Hearns takes an early point and hurting or even dropping Carlos by capitalizing on his off balance retreating in a way that none of his opponents never could and carries it thru the mid rounds. Meanwhile Monzon who was on the defensive and slowly opening up really starts getting to work on hitting the Hitman who was taken a few right uppercuts and left hooks to the body and is starting to weaken and slow down.

The distance makes a big difference on the outcome of this one. Over 12 I favour Hearns with his high energy, total blowout style over Monzons' slower methodical one. However Monzon has the advantage for 15 since he has the extra 3 rounds to put Hearns down or make up the point difference.

 

Oh that's terrible. An opposing opinion has ruined the forum for you. So sorry about that. I'll try to do better. "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts" John Wooden.
Speaking of agenda driven...is that Carlos Monzon in your avatar? Maybe your a little biased. Pay attention to your feelings but recognize YOUR feelings are not always accurate.

 

I always thought Lausse would be a bad styles match-up for Tommy.

 

Tommy Hearns couldn't make it past Iran Barkley, much less Monzon. Tommy barely made it past James "The Heat" Kinchen, (did he even win that one?).

 

That's fair. If Monzon can take the punishment Hearns would (imo) dish out from the outside and still have sufficient strength to rally mid to late Monzon most likely pulls it out. If being the key word.

Hearns had his flaws but was a unique talent himself especially offensively. The style works in his favor. His jab alone was very damaging. I won't say Carlos can't overcome it but it's questionable.

 

Good point but Duran beat Barkley. Hearns beat Duran. Briscoe drew with Monzon but was KOd by Valdez. Monzon beat Valdez. Styles make fights.