Carlos Monzon vs Nigel Benn At MW

Literally shameful. I doubt any of these keyboard warriors have ever laced the gloves.

 

You're not telling the truth. You're giving your opinion, as if it's fact.

Anyone who disagrees with your opinion, you see as either a 'keyboard warrior' or as them 'disrespecting'... ...well, everyone.

You provide no basis for a reasonable discussion. But, given your cheerleading routine for Benn, I should have known better.

And, I will know better - next time.


Good evening.

 

Cheerleading for Benn? I've downplayed him massively, disrespected him even.

Bizarre.

 

What the hell is going on here. Benn the most gifted fighter in history? Eubank beat Monzon? I know its the weekend but ease up on the drinking

 

If this^ is downplaying a Boxer, I'm not quite sure where one goes to build that Boxer back up again.

You'll see no clearer example of cheerleading than the above.

 

It's not praise though, is it? It's downtalking the guy, because he didn't achieve what he could've due to lack of mental strength.

 

Care to elaborate, instead of troll? Nobody is saying Eubank would beat Monzon - he was too tight at the weight and would be outworked over 15, as much ability as he had.

Who could abuse smoking, drinking, drugs and partying, not spar and achieve what Benn did? Do tell me.

Benn himself says he learned more in four weeks with a trainer in Australia than in the previous 40 years combined!

 

I misread the post where you said Eubank would do better than Benn and such. However now that you mention it I do remember you saying Eubank would beat Monzon in a different thread. But regardless. Benn the most gifted fighter in history? The man who nearly got iced by Anthony Logan (who?) and had six rounds of stamina is the most gifted fighter in history? Because he did drugs? Do you know how many boxers drink and do drugs? Slack off training? Even taking Benn on his word (although I do think the man was more honest than most) theres no proof he could have been better if he had trained more. All that matters are the results and the result for Benn was a spastic chinny brawler with a fairly basic bob and weave and incredible power - for his weight class. Not nearly enough to claim such a lofty title

 

Never said it, I argued Eubank wouldn't be battered and stopped early. Pure fantasy, white van type nonsense.

Such was Benn's natural punching ability, he knocked Logan out on the way down from being knocked out himself! I've never seen another fighter do that. That's proof in itself.

Did you actually watch the Watson fight!? Benn was throwing punches from every angle imaginable, non-stop with his hips into every punch at breakneck speed! Jheez, I don't even know what to say sometimes to you guys, I just shake my head.

You've clearly never boxed to not realise the importance of sparring and technical pad work, none of which Benn had ever had going into the Logan and Watson fights! Do you not realise how ridiculous that is? It shouldn't be possible to dominate and devastatingly knockout guys in the WBC top 15-20 like Reggie Miller, Tim Williams, Logan and David Noel when you have no experience even in the gym let alone the ring!

I'd be completely lost in the ring without sparring. Totally. Like a deer in head lights. Benn went on to win two world crowns and defend them so many times on mostly 30 rounds of touch sparring and wild padwork. It was ALL natural ability.

 

I'm not talking 'results' when I'm talking giftedness, I'm talking from a higher knowledge.

 

If you say so I wont bother to drag it up. On Benn's punching power it was certainly incredible but not exactly otherworldly. He wasn't knocking out light heavyweights or even super middleweights. Some of the middles he fought could withstand his barrages. Benn knocking out Anthony Logan while a punch away from getting knocked out himself says more about Benn's chin than it does about his power. Logan also was already hurt. Yes Benn threw crazy wild shots at full speed. For all of six rounds then he was rendered unconscious by a jab. Benn never had sparred before the Watson fight? Incredible bull****. He must have fought before. Noone learns that form of punching just naturally. And even still if that is all true I'm sure I could find some similarly incredible tales told by sources as reputable as your own regarding Benn. Speaking from a higher knowledge all I can see is a wild brawler with basic defense. Good power but nothing crazy. Thats what my higher knowledge tells me, or whatever that weird **** was. Again I gotta tell you easy on the drinking

 

You won't be able to drag up your own untruths.

And indeed, Benn punched like that naturally. He just had the knack of it. The trainer he had from the amateurs to the Watson fight, Brian Lynch, didn't learn him how to punch like that because he was literally just a PE teacher who'd never boxed or coached another boxer before - Lynch famously believed in NO sparring (NONE!), it was well publicised/criticised at the time. All Benn did was calisthenics, weights, running and hitting a makeshift swinging light sandbag. Not even heavy bag or pad work!!

Hence me suggesting he is indeed the most gifted fighter for having that timing and accuracy (which weren't great) without ANY practice, on top of his allaround speed, athleticism and natural power. Watch him close the distance against DeWitt when DeWitt gets up from a knockdown - his feet are all wrong but the speed his feet move and how fast he covers the ring is RIDICULOUS.

 

You need to learn how to quote so others can see you have replied right away. None of these things mean anything. Fine, lets say Benn just tripped on a piece of wood one day and while stumbling he threw a perfect left hook in textbook form. And he liked it so much he kept throwing it. Then he got in the ring with Anthony Logan and started throwing punches at him. Benn's accuracy is ok. His timing is ok. His sense of distance is good. Then he does 200 rounds of sparring or however much he did, as you say. He gets in the ring with Chris Eubank. His accuracy is good. His timing is ok. His sense of distance is really good. He wasnt the most gifted boxer when he didnt spar for 200 rounds (which not every fighter does) and he wasnt the most gifted boxer after. There are countless stories of fighters throwing excellent punches before they ever found out what a gym was. And didn't he come out of the army after boxing or something? Plenty of boxers could have sprinted to DeWitt at that moment as fast or even faster. The skinny old janitor in your gym who can sweep the floors really fast if he wanted to could mimic that same rush once he warmed up his legs. It wasn't like he teleported. It's just nonsense really. You cant say things like this easily. You need to watch more fights. Come on

 

Of course they could. Only I've never seen it. So I'll take your fantasy for it shall I. As for the rest, it reads jibberish. Learn to paragraph.

 

Plenty of boxers could quadruple the hook as fast as Roy Jones. They just never did. Even the mailman if you asked him.