Carlos Monzon vs. Roy Jones Jr.

Jones "saw things in the ring". Usually against mailmen and Pazmanians.

Monzon is oftentimes underrated and Jones's style leaves many starstruck. That kind of speed and power will do that -but when you join the glorifiers and call Joens the "most spectacular fighter" you are forgetting the fact that the man did not have the challenges that would have injected that style with substance. It appears to me that Jones-worshippers have a fetish for style over substance.

Which brings me to Monzon. Monzon wasn't pretty -his style unanimously took place 'out of the ring' with flashy clothes and flashy girls. But his substance (read his will) in the ring was something rare. It is true that a fighter with Monzon's style would have issues with Jones' speed and finesse. But Monzon defied what his own style would suggest. He would find a way to overcome what the untrained eye sees as deficiencies. He always did. He was a proven quanitity at a level beyond Jones.

Jones didn't always find a way ...in fact, Jones had one game, and when that game failed he either got disqualified, or knocked out. This is 15 rounds here. I see Monzon truly punishing Jones at the end and when Jones tries to take those respites on the ropes, Monzon would make that very costly. You seem to think that Monzon would fall victim to speed and stylistics. I don't. The man would ignore it and impose his will -and his will was herculean.

 

Lighting strikes the snail, all 12 rds.

 

Well, we both are smart enough to realize Monzon has little chance if any in this one. He's not winning on guile or picking and poking his way to a win and he could stick that jab of his up his ass because he'd never get the chance to measure him with Roy's right hand in his face.

Roy was one of the better punchers at middle as I've seen-he's up there with Robinson and so was his speed. His early blowouts of Thorton, Tate, and Harris are evidence enough for me.

I'd have to think at one point, Monzon's going to get caught and ruined by Roy's hook, after which Roy just toys with him, and bewilders him with flurris without end. And more bad news for Monzon is that Roy never seemed to tire, even in the late rounds.

 

Jones dazzles Monzon.

 

Jab to the chest? That will result in early KO win by Jones, as his right cross to the temple was one of the most fearsome punches the middleweight division has seen.
And of course, there's no comparison between Monzon's jab and Hill's, Hill's was much better, easily. He tried going to the head and to the body, he tried leading with jab, he tried countering with jab (to every Jones' attack), it simply didn't work. Same way as Wright couldn't land his jab on B-Hop, with some people jab simply doesn't work, there are several ways to make it useless.

 

Jones easy. Too fast, too big, and too crafty for the ponderous Monzon. Monzon gives a game performance, but comes up short in the end. In a 15 rounder, it would be 10-4-1 for Jones.

Roy Jones Jr. UD 15 Carlos Monzon:good

 

This fight would most likely be a very tricky one to score.

I'd say RJJ, by decision- speed and savvy being the key. Something like 9-5-1 in rounds sounds right, with Jones Jr doing enough to nick those close rounds (of which there may be a couple)

 

Early knockout? While Jones has great power, he didn't stop Hopkins and Toney. Both have durability roughly as good as Monzon and he hit both with clean, hard combinations. This fight will go the distance.

 

Hopkins was fighting in cautios style, plus Jones had an injured right hand.
Toney has a much better defense than Monzon.

 

Boxing is all about "imposing your will", my friend. And having a good swat is indeed a deterrent for the other man. So, you are damn right I'm "one of those people"! You'll also hear me say "styles make fights" and "box a puncher", punch a boxer" -and many other boxing adages that are tried and true. Such adages sure beat youthful ejaculations like "he was the most spectacular fighter ever!"

Monzon hadn't been beat in 13 years. He was never stopped in 100 fights. And names like Griffith, Benvenuti, Valdez, and Briscoe are nothing to sneeze at.

Jones's natural talent are glorified in this corner -I put him a number one in terms of athleticism. But skills and ring generalship? Jones made basic errors and was not as adaptable as you pretend. Monzon was more of a killer robot than Jones was "superman".

Tell me who on his record was a mailman, please, so that I know you get the point.

The problem with Jones is that he fought and beat Hopkins and Toney gloriously, but then took easy street for damn near a decade before fighting Ruiz -the most vulnerable HW who was made to order for Jones. And I think it is pretty well-established that Hopkins hadn't hit his stride yet and James "Headcase" Toney was a dud that night. They remain great victories, but rematches would have removed these questions.

I am not sure you got the argument: Jones would make him look a day late and dollar short for half the fight. Monzon would be closing the distance and hitting him where he could -which would be mostly arms and body. Jones's style is not ideal for 15 rounds. It's not. His mentality isn't either -Jones was allergic to getting hit and avoided prolonged warfare with a banger. 15 rounds forces him to engage more and the chances of Monzon catching him increases.

Finally, you or someone acknowledge that Jones would "get hurt" by Monzon. If Monzon hurts him, the fight would be over, and as you say "Monzon could not be simply held off forever."

Fact is, Jones has a great chance, but I favor Monzon, who has a better chance for the reasons outlined.

 

Jones' style was ideal for long fights. He didn't waste energy and could fight 20 rounds, 30 rounds, it would be no problem for his stamina.

 

This fight would pan out like the Camacho-Rosario contest. Jones would dazzle Carlos early on, then one big looping right hand would turn the contest on its head and Jones would go all 'Hector' on us. However, it would go to the distance and arguments would ensue for all eternity.

 

Another made up story. Which fight did it happen in, where Jones got cautious after getting hit, instead of trying to avenge every situation where he got hit cleanly?

 

Eh? I didn't say it happened, it's just my scenario that I envisage (hey, 'scenario' sounds a bit like 'Rosario' don't it ). Ok then, er...er..Jones takes loads of steroids and becomes the world's strongest man and Monzon ends up dead. There.