Carlos Monzon vs. Roy Jones Jr.

My posts about Jones are based on what has been.
Such as:

1) stamina
Outside of 1st Tarver fight (where Jones looked weary before the fight even started), in which other fight did Jones look winded at the end of 12th round?

2) heart
Most of the time when Jones got hit flush or allowed his opponent to look particularly good in some episode, Roy tried to avenge it right there.

3) jab
Nobody has ever been able to set up an effective jab against Jones.

 

jones UD. just too much speed.

 

I **** on masturbating glorifiers who replace objectivity with circular reasoning and emotion. Like Senya. I don't count you among them -although your boost of Senya casts a bad shadow on your credibility. Repent before it's too late. Seriously.

 

Roy Jones hates infighting - he's no good at it. Even the mediocre David Telesco made Jones look bad when he'd bull rush Jones into the ropes. And Glen Johnson destroyed Jones against the ropes.

Monzon was smart enough that he'd pick up on this from watching tapes or just during the first few rounds. He was a deadly infighter and strong enough to drive any middleweight to the ropes and corners.

It would be an ugly fight with Jones covering up against the ropes after being surprised by Monzon's deceptive power. Jones would flurry occasionally hoping to steal rounds but in the end Monzon wins a close but unanimous decision.

As for KOs, no way Jones KOs Monzon. But Jones has admitted that even as an amateur he was knocked out. Jones never had the indomitable will to take unnecessary risks. Once he felt Monzon's power he might be tempted to retaliate, but it would cost him. Jones was most effective against tentative fighters. Monzon would just keep walking through Jones' shots, which eventually becomes discouraging.

 

Apart from the fact he never fought for 15 rounds:good

 

The most stupid post I've read today.

Jones looked least effective against fighters who tried to stay back and make him lead and who tried to counter him.

 

If a runner A is known to be a world class sportsman at 4000 meters and looks fresh as a daisy after running such distance, that means he will drop dead when he attempts to run 5000 meters?

 

No, but many a top athlete has faded in the last lap or so.

 

Senya's point sucks as it usually does. It doesn't address my argument whatsoever. I didn't question Jones' stamina. His stamina was great. My argument was that Jones's style was not ideal to go 15 rounds against Monzon -and the reason is because Monzon has more 3 more rounds to analyze, time, and stalk Jones and Monzon's opportunities to crash his chin increases by ~20%.

Monzon's style was well-suited for 15 or 20 rounds, because he was deliberate and patient and his power did not diminish like most punchers in later rounds. Jones' never went more than 12 rounds and while I am sure that he could sustain 15 stamina-wise, in this fight those 3 rounds could decide the fight. Over 12, Jones could simply dazzle him to a points win.

Incidentally, I find that to be the error most posters on this thread are making. They are commenting on a fight that is only 12 rounds in their heads. Either that or they have never seen Monzon's films.

A 15 round fight is far different than a 12 rounder. Think of all the bouts that would in all likelihood would have been different altogether: Hagler-Leonard, Chavez-Taylor, Marciano-Walcott, Leonard-Hearns, Leonard-Hearns II and on and on.

 

Don't respond to him. Can't you tell by now he's an idiot?

 

Assassin, I know you have more class than that. We can't all agree on outcomes but leave the insults to the ten year old drummer boy

 

3 more rounds for a robot to analyze Jones? Monzon needs Blackburn, Arcel and Futch all together in his corner to analyze such fighter as Jones and even then it might appear too difficult riddle for them to solve. He's too versatile and unpredictable.

 

seems like most of you are picking jones. hard not to. monzon is the more accomplished fighter but jones was clearly more talented.

 

Styles makes fights.

Being fast is good.

 

I've always thought Jones a stylistic dilemna vs Hagler and Monzon, his speed, reflex and sharpness are remarkable even at 160. He's also not going to take risks and i see no probs with his stamina. I think Hagler would have the better chance of the two. I think speedy boxer punchers would have better chance of taking Jones out, SRR and to a slightly lesser extent Hearn's.