Carlos Monzon vs. Roy Jones Jr.

Spot on. He is. They both have a chance in the latter stages but Jones would hold a fairly wide points lead in the first half of the fight. I think the Hagler fight would be closer, points wise, but Monzon has the heavier single shot in which, potentially, could turn the fight around.

Yep again. Hearns, especially, has the best chance of all. I always though that.

 

I think the likes of Senya don't realise how highly I rate Jones at 160 (and 168). I was one of the original Jones cheerleaders in the early 1990s (in boxing mag letters pages). :bbb

 

Futch sure had him going with Griffin tho, an average fighter at best.

 

:blood

 

He was some fighter alright. Detractors waited decades to take him down but the trouble is, whether they like it or not he was past it by then and the losses hardly carry great weight. Jones would have hammered both a few short years earlier, hell he even decisioned Tarver in their initial encounter tho he looked like he was slipping. The second fight confirmed just how fast.

 

We're certainly seeing eye to eye. Hearns has the sensational blend of speed and power as well as size and reach to be a serious threat. Whether Jones chin eroded later or not i'm certain Hearns could take him out regardless. Of course Jones poses his own stoppage threat. SRR at his early best at 160 is a show, he's got an overall offense probably comparable to Hearns and a better chin.

 

An average fighter, but a very good boxer. Still it wasn't enough to hope to get a win over Jones (that is he couldn't have planned that Jones would hit Griffin when he was down and get disqualified, which was against the rules anyway, as the referee's decision was Jones' win, and the comissioner had no power to overrule that decision).

 

Yes, but the level of success he had with an average fighter such as Griffin was eye opening to say the least. Jones was uber frustrated. Give Futch guys like Hagler, Monzon and SRR and he'd better be respected that's for sure.

 

Griffin would make Hagler and Monzon look totally stupid for a while, before (and that's a big if) they figure out how to catch him with any big punches. SRR would lose the fight at 175lb vs Griffin.

 

"Taxi for Senya".

 

Who would of thought, Montell Griffin of all peeps schooling Hagler and Monzon after which he pummels SRR to a steadfast defeat



Montell Griffin #23 ATG (Tho Sosa competes heavily for the spot)

 

I wouldn't bet on that but Roy had the nack for getting to anyone early in his 4, 5 year at pro. Keep in mind Monzon hit the deck early with Valdez but by then he was getting old

 

So you're admitting you never watched the RJJ vs. Telesco or Glen Johnson fights.

 

Jones has been known to like fighting off the ropes (which means infighting most of the time) since he was an amateur (according to Iceman Scully's article who'd been in the training camp with Roy back then).
Have you seen Castro, Hopkins, Malinga, Tate, Toney, Pazienza, Sosa (especially this one), Lucas (several times he went to the ropes and waved his hand inviting Lucas to come over and try his luck there), Brannon, McCallum (where was Jones standing when he knocked Body Snatcher down?), and pretty much every other light heavyweight fight after that. In each one Jones has gone to the ropes on many occasions (on his own, not trying to run or escape, when he could have if he wanted)?

Glen Johnson fight, "destroying Jones at the ropes".

Watch the 1st round in slow-motion. Roy blocked, slipped or rolled with most of the punches Johnson threw (lot of those that actually landed cleanly got to the back and to the back of the head, which are illegal punches).

Especially interesting is statistics of Johnson's punching activity. There're some myths about it, that Johnson was pummeling Jones non-stop, throwing nearly hundred punches per round or something of that kind.

1st round, according to compubox Glen threw 84 punches (they say he landed 22, but I don't think so, agains, based on slow-mo watching of the fight).

What should we expect, that he would turn up the pace even higher in the next rounds?

After 3rd round: Johnson 39/171 Jones 40/120
Ie, in the 2nd and 3rd rounds Johnson slowed down to an average of 43.5 punches per round, which is 10 punches less than average light heavyweight output according to compubox (54 punches/round).
That's how he was "destroying" Jones.

Round 4 - Johnson 13/48, still 6 punches lower than 175lb average.

Round 5 - finally he "woke up" a little - 21/62, 8 punches higher than average l-h.

Round 6 - no data, but according to my count, he threw about 50 punches, half of which took place in the last 40 seconds of the round after Jones walked up to the ropes on his own, the first 2.5 mins of the round Johnson was throwing single jabs, basically none of which landed, being very passive.

Round 7 - Johnson threw 45 punches (according to my count it was 47 punches).

Round 8 - 21/58.

Basically, Johnson's punching rate was about 53 punches per round, which is a light heavyweight average.

 

I believe that Monzon would have found a way to beat Jones. True, Jones was flashier and faster than Monzon, but Carlos' strengths were as much mental as they were physical. I could see Jones leading on points and "outflashing" Monzon over12 rounds, but Monzon's superior toughness in the deep waters of the old 15 round limit would come through. I would have Carlos using guile and superior tactics to defeat guys like Robinson and Hagler over 15 rounds, but I think a right hand bomb would be Jone's undoing in the 14th or 15th against Monzon. Jones didn't have a chin when he was Middleweight either, and against a truly tough guy like Monzon, it would be a matter of time before a big right hand would land, making the scoring of their fight irrelevant.