Carlos Monzon vs. Roy Jones Jr.

Yeah, it just looked like he was throwing so much more because.......Jones was so overwhelmed by it and afraid to get hurt that he threw next to nothing. It was all an illusion, you see.

 

Next to nothing? Indeed.

Round 3 - I counted Jones landing 29 punches to Johnson's 12.
Round 4 - Jones landed 17 punches to Johnson's 12.

Compubox stats for power punches:
G. Johnson 71/235
Jones threw 66/204

Johnson was far ahead in total punches only due to jabs:
G. Johnson: 47/202 (23%)
Jones: 9/66 (14%)
but, as usual, that's bull****, and there were nowhere near 47 landed jabs from Glen, he missed almost all that he threw to the head and he didn't throw to the body that often.

Also, consider that almost all punches Johnson threw in the 1st round were power punches, so in rounds 2-9 it was about 150-160 power punches by Johnson (about 21-22 power punches per round) against Jones' 190 or thereabouts (he threw maybe a dozen counters in the 1st round, most of them landed).

 

So what is all this statistical trivia supposed to mean, that your hero Roy Jones actually did great against Glen Johnson? I guess he really didn't lose after all. He was dominating Johnson all the while! What a bunch of crap!! The big essential truth here is that in the only occasions Mr. Jones had to sample any punches of consequence to his whiskers, the only times he was ever tested in battle by anyone other than a scared part time postman , policeman, or cab driver or a third rater hopelessly in over their heads, HE WAS BRUTALLY KO'D!!! He has all these superb natural gifts, these great athletic gifts, but he lacks two things, guts and a chin. Poor old shot Tito Trinidad has only one hope, and that is to land a haymaker to the chin. He will certainly not be so lucky. This will be a big blowout for Jones over a washed out, shot Tito Trinidad. Another great triumph for Jones over a warm body, although a once great warm body. Jones has never had the guts to fight the wide range of fighters available to him throughout his career like Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, Carlos Monzon, Roberto Duran, etc..... How in the world could he have defeated a super tough elite great of the past like Carlos Monzon? Monzon would have overcome the deficit in physical gifts and speed and flash that Jones admittedly had to ravage him in the deep waters of the 13th thru 15th rounds and wreck that delicate chin of his for a ko. All it would have taken would have been a right hand bomb similar to the one used to ko Nino Benvenuti.

 

Who was the better fighter vs Roy Jones Jr, Glen Johnson or Merqui Sosa? Which of them was named the best chin in boxing and the hardest light heavyweight puncher prior to the bout, and who pressed Jones harder? The answer is obvious to anyone with some brains.

 

Wow, I know Roy Jones is great, but I didn't realize how great. He wins even when he gets KO'd. Sorta ironic, considering that's how Montell Griffin beat Jones.

 

I think Roy is too fast for Monzon at 160, although I think it would be a good scrap with plenty of suspenseful moments. In terms of pace (obviously not style), I view it like a Williams/Margarito kind of deal.

Roy wasn't nearly as strong at 160 as he was at 168, and for that reason I think he'd have to work especially hard to stay away from Monzon for 15. There's no way he wins this easily. Still, athletically he's on a different level, and he'd make Monzon look foolish for much of the fight.

I'd favor Hagler slightly over Jones at 160 because I think he'd get Jones to the ropes (who had a natural tendency to go there even early in his career) and outwork him over a long fight. At 168, Jones is too much for Marvin.

 

I don't understand your point here at all. Glen was the better man in that fight, by far, even before the KO. Jones was and is finished.

 

My point was, some people think it was the pressure that gradually wore Jones down and finished him. But in reality, Glen Johnson ceased to throw that many punches or pressure Jones that much from 2nd round on. He still occasionally did throw some leather, but only when Jones went to the ropes on his own. not because Johnson was cutting the ring and pressuring him that effectively.

 

Monzon is in an entirely different class to Roy Jones Jnr, he'd break him in two. I can't see Jones' fundamentally flawed, passive style causing Monzon any stylistic problems.

 

Jones at 160 and 168 was an entirely different fighter to Jones at 175. There was no passivity about him, he could throw up to a hundred punches per round, without even getting winded.

 

If Roy was such a ring genious why would he go to the ropes where his opponent was effective against him?

 

His performance against Hopkins is one of the most passive displays I've ever seen from a fighter with the significantly superior punching power.

 

Erm, you can't be "wrong" about predicting the outcome of a hypothetical matchup. I'm not the only one thats picked Monzon!atsch

You need to look outside the square, gain a sense of perspective and stop getting your knickers in a twist whenever a poster doesn't scoff the nutsacks of Whitaker or Roid Jones.

 

1. Please find me the post where I said Floyd would beat Whitaker

2. This was my exact post today on Mayweather

"Mayweather cleaned out the 130lbs weight division, defeated the No.1 ranked fighter Corrales in inspired fashion - He then jumped up to lightweight, and twice defeated the top ranked fighter in that division - He jumped up to 140lbs and established himself as one of the best fighters in the division, but didn't have the opportunity to fight the top dog Hatton (he does now though) - He then beat the top-ranked fighters at Welterweight (yes, Baldomir was considered the champion by the Ring and all credible boxing sources) and then went on to defeat an all-time great light middleweight, Oscar De La Hoya (admittedly on the slide) but didn't go on to fight the top ranked fighters in this division, rather he's gone back down to 140lbs to take care of unfinished business in Hatton.

That's quite a remarkable resume, and he's done it all in ten years, without suffering any losses - That's the consistency of a true all-time-great. He's certainly not top10, but he's not as far behind as you suggest."

Rather than telling me on an unrelated thread that I'm "always wrong" why don't you pick it apart if my argument is so flawed?

As for Roid Jones, I happen to think he's tremendously overrated. Monzon was an exceptional middleweight, undefeated against top-level ranked opposition with some very decisive displays. Perhaps brush up on your history before questioning his resume at middleweight. I rank him 2nd, and I don't rank Roid Jones anywhere near my top10.

 

Johnson had as much "effectivity" against Jones on the ropes as did Ajamu and Hanshaw in two last fights - ie, very little. Johnson outworked Jones, but only by more activity, not by being effective in his offense. Before somebody mentions the knockout, it happened not by the ropes, but in the center of the ring.