carlos monzon vs thomas hearns

Let's not forget Valdez. I'd take Valdez to beat Hearns at 160 by the way, Briscoe would give him hell as well.

But not Ray Leonard? Monzon's pressure was much smarter than Leonard's. He wouldn't walk in with his hands up looking to land a big shot in the midst of fire, he'd jab consistently and look to time Hearns with rights while Hearns was moving, and eventually he'd hurt him. I don't think Hearns would significantly hurt Monzon, given he wouldn't be nearly as open as Hagler was in their fight(though we know how that ended up anyway).

 

Wow bumdujour, more than enough?? Thats too much harsh words to use when talkin' about Monzon, he's gunna stop Hearns at MW

 

he was weight weakened at 145. valdez had a big punch. so did brisco. but i think tommy hit harder.

he knocked duran unconcious with a single blow. nothing more needs to be said.

as you suggest that monzon would jab consistantly, i disagree. tommy had the faster/better jab. that would unsettle monzons rythem.

and i dont think monzon could just walk him down because tommy certainly could hurt him.
as i said, anyone who ko´s duran with a single blow can also hurt monzon.

sufficiently enough to keep him at bay for sure.

add tommys greater handspeed and greater athletic ability and he pulls out a ud.

 

I don't think that's neccessarily true, not at MW.

Knocking a natural LW out at JMW proves your power at MW?

Tommy's jab was faster, not better. Anyways, Monzon wasn't exactly a rhythm based fighter who could be taken out of his game by his opponent's style, he was often the one who did that to the opponent rather. He'd look to press and rough Hearns up like he did Benvenuti, he wouldn't opt to box from mid-range to keep Hearns at bay like he did with pressure fighters.

Duran is not comparable to Monzon at MW, not by a long shot.

Again, why could he not even do this to a WW who used a far less practical pressuring strategy then? Monzon would use his strength to rough Hearns up, he wouldn't rely on taking a bunch of shots just to land one, so he wouldn't be getting tagged as often as SRL would, a fighter who still managed to stop Hearns eventually. As far as Hearns being weight-drained, that excuse is old and should've been thrown out the window by now. He looked fantastic throughout ther fight prior to getting caught in the late rounds. And he was more durable at WW and JMW than he was at MW.

I'll take Monzon's strength, pressure, boxing ability, timing, durability, etc to overcome Hearns's speed advantages, especially considering Hearns's durability at the weight.

 

I've got to go with King Carlos in this one. He's the more solid MW.

 

Bumdujour and Sweet Pea both have good points on this one. Monzon late if he survives (Tommy likes to start fast)

 

...........What about Hearns' middleweight resume would make you think he could handle what Monzon would bring? Don't bring up Duran, that was an old guy at 154 who belonged at 147 who sat on the ropes waiting for Hearns' big punch. That has nothing to do with anything. Let's talk middleweight.

 

Monzon would beat Hearns in a fight that Hearns fans would nto want to watch.

I'm surprised anyone picks Tommy in this fight. Monzon was possibly the ATG middle and nobody who comes to fight (like Tommy) is going to get the win.

Monzon's timing was so good that any disadvantage in speed was always nullified.

 

Come on!? He was never knocked out, never stopped, never even close!

What amazed me about Monzon was how he made virtually every opponent fight at his dictated pace and, as a result, many fighters didn't even resemble their usual selves when they were in against him.
If you did have a measure of success against him, and a few did, it had to be done in the altered style that Carlos made you 'morph' into (Griffith, Valdez). Could Hearns fight effectively after being taken out of his usual attack mode?

One area Monzon gets underrated in is strength. His rangy, slim, body disguised this. He sort of reminds me of Wilt Chamberlin of all people in this regard. You see Shaq and other huge players and think, "how can Wilt be as strong as them?" Well he was....

My $0.02

 

A real bad match up for Tommy ...

 

Monzon, late TKO.

 

The funny thing with Hearns at middle is considering his A+ fights. Shuler. That's it. Everything else was tough. He lost the Hagler fight and all he did was hang in there after the first round. How about the guy that fought Barkley? Or against Singletary even? That's 2 wins and 2 losses. Hearns barely got by an old Roldan. 3-2 with one A+ result. And there wasn't exactly a big contingent of boxing people that held Shuler in all that high of regard either.

Not only doesn't Hearns beat Monzon, he'd have lots of losses facing those same challengers; Benvenuti 2x/Griffith 2x/Briscoe/Valdez 2x/Bouttier 2x/Licata/Mundine/Tonna/Moyer/Napoles.

That caliber of fighter is a lot better than the likes Hearns fought, aside from Hagler. Barkley isn't beating too many of those guys. Singletary would be fortunate to go the distance. Roldan and Shuler don't exactly look like guys to pick either to get very many wins, do they?

 

And Valdez put Bad Bennie on ***** street as well, something no one else, including two other times by Valdez, ever did. Sometimes a shot just happens...what the heck....but budujour sounds like his mind is made up and I'm too busy to debate; have at the "hearns-hugger'' boys! :yep
No way Hearns stands a chance against Monzon at MW IMHO...

 

I dont think any version of Tommy would beat Monzon at this weight....I dont think many if any fighters do.