Carlos Ortiz vs Locche footage does exist!

yes I have it at home

 

Its more like three and a half minutes and most of it is like a sparring match with Locche being very negative and Ortiz patiently stalking and not leaving himself too open.

 

Locche's the only defensive wizard I enjoy watching.

 

You wouldnt if you saw a lot of him. He did absolutely nothing in kost of his fights. Had he fought like that anywhere but his hometown hed have been thrown out of the ring and damn sure wouldnt have all of those wins.

 

I have always said Locche is one of the best defensive artists I've seen but he isn't one of the best defensive fighters.

By that I mean he could make anyone miss, but he made very few pay

 

I love Locche....one of my favorite Locche displays of brilliance is Locche-Fuji....it's sheer pleasure.

 

That fight he put it all together, venom in his punches that he never usually displayed.

 

It was as masterful an "ownage" that I have ever seen.

 

Fuji was made to order for Locche. A wide swinging guy, in love with his power, with very little world class experience, mediocre stamina and chin. If this is the only fight of Locches you see (and for years it was all that was available) youd think he was the second coming of Pep. He wasnt.

 

I'm interested in the alternative opinion, and I think you've made plenty of good points.

What other reasons do you have to support the opinion that Locche is dramatically overrated? Do you consider him a great fighter?

 

Anyone have or have seen the Laguna - Locche fight from '65? I am a bug Laguna fan and would really like to see what Locche did with him.

 

Locche isn't overrated at all IMO, OK, he didn't have a great work rate but the fact is at times he didn't NEED it because his defence and ability to make opponents miss was that good that he just needed to land a few shot to win rds.

 

I'll give you a perfect example: There is a short clip that most have seen of Locche-Cervantes 1 where Cervantes is pecking and poking away at Locche and Locche is clowning him, ducking, dodging, sticking his chin out and making Cervantes miss. This clip is very short, a minute or two long. You look at that clip and you marvel at how slick defensively Locche was right? Now what if you watched an entire 10 or 15 round fight and thats ALL Locche was doing for maybe 80 or 90% of the fight? Youd change your opinion from "this guy is really slick" to "this guy doesnt fight at all" Well, thats Locche. Ive got a bunch of his fights and thats how he fought. He would do nothing round after round except clown and make the other guy miss. His fans ate it up but he offered almost nothing offensively. Hed be fighting these guys and lets say they landed 3 out of every 20 punches and lets say for everyone 20 punches by the opponent Locche threw 3 and landed 1. The other guy was still busier, still the aggressor, still landed more. How do you score that for Locche? But in Argentina Locche could throw about 10 punches a round, land 3 or 4, and still get his hand raised, and this coming from someone like you who first saw his fight with Fuji and fell in love with the guy (its why tracked down so many of his fights). Id watch all these films and Id be like "jesus, this guy is just running out the clock". Another thing is that a lot of times he'd be laying on the ropes and a guy would be banging his body because he was so hard to hit in the head and invariably Locche would complain to the ref and the referee would warn the opponent to keep them up when all the guy was doing was going to the body, no low blows. It was garbage. Im not saying the guy wasnt good defensively, he was, but this is boxing not dodgeball. You have to mix in some offense and score some points and Locche was awful when it came to that. He looked great against Fuji but Fuji wasnt anything special. He was literally the perfect opponent to showcase Locche against and keep in mind, Locche was fighting away from home so he had to actually perform in that fight, he couldnt rely on his hometown officials to protect him, so thats another reason why you see a different Locche in Tokyo. Corpas, Azevedo, Pruitt, he didnt fight those guys any different or any better than he did Peppermint Fraser and he got away with those fights. It was a joke. Even boxrec has his fight with Carlos Hernandez "more or less an easy victory" Id say less. Go watch that fight and tell me he had an easy victory. LOL. And thats actually one of his better performances. Not that Hernandez was bad, he was very good, but he was all over Locche, landed more, and was the aggressor throughout. Locche scored two flash knockdowns, both balance shots, but Hernandez scored a real knockdown and Locche gets a wide decision?? No, they were looking for excuses to give Locche the "W" down in Argentina. A perfect example of Locche's inactivity in the ring is his KO percentage. Most people would look at his KO percentage and say "man, that guy cant crack an egg" Wrong. Locche hit just fine, he was a KO puncher but he hit as hard as your average JWW. The problem was he never threw enough punches to wear a guy down and/or hurt him. Notice once again that the fight where he actually has to fight and mixes up his offense and defense (against a guy who was there to be hit) he gets the stoppage. Just my two cents but Ive been fortunate enough to see a lot of a Locche and he lost a lot of luster in my eyes the more I saw.