Carlos Palomino v Lloyd Honeyghan

Great Post always happy to come across some one who goes way back and has interesting new stuff to tell....Great write up enjoyed it..I can see your point of view....I knew I was writing slightly like a rogue suggesting these were all one punch "gman/Julian Jackson style punches.....but on scrutiny.....I still kinda think they were!!!

Mickey Hughes nose was decimated with one punch out of the blue....there was like a delayed reaction than a gasp.

Cheung ...like I say kind of cheeky of me...but even if we assume Young Kil was writhing on the floor playacting it was a hell of a thing to reduce the tough Korean to doing.

The way a fast fading Honeyghan wobbled Marlon Starling too was highly impressive...

The Vaca fight Lloyd was just going berserk for like 2 and a half minutes in one spot nothing seemed to be getting through cleanly to dent the tough Mexican than 1 punch sweet as a nut.

Again I admit I'm kinda twisting the truth here yours is the more informed balanced opinion but I'm a total fan boy of LH

You were clearly ahead of a lot of us reference Lloyd...I saw him fight Mittee and also didn't think he'd win a world title! He really grew into his role as world champ during the 1st run

I feel Mickey Duff should let Lloyd take it a little easier he was on a typically break neck no easy pickings schedule....I guess Mickey saw Vaca as the closest thing to easy pickings ..I would have loved to see Lloyd have had made his 1st defence against Colin Jones.....and had a defence with Kirkland laing .....2 great all British fights...

 

Palomino was a slow starter so I expect Honeyghan to start fast out of the gate and take the first few rounds. Not that Palomino isn't doing anything, its just that his engine needed a bit of revving and I would expect him to start digging downstairs with intent around the 4th and by the 5th really to have warmed to the task. By the 10th, everyone would know how this would end with Lloyd coming apart at the seams. I'm not seeing a one-punch KO from Carlos, but a steady battering where the ref has to pull him off Lloyd. If Lloyd makes it to the 13th, it would be remarkable.

 

When you are throwing forward some of the above casting much shade will be difficult. Admittedly Palomino's record isn't amazing but it's pretty solid.

Looking at and breaking down records is what it's about when having a crack at the multitude of dream matches we do in here.

Hibbert had 16 fights going in to the Honeyghan bout and had been stopped just 3 fights prior by Gilpin who i presume is the guy you call "Gilson" in your above post. Not even memorable to yourself by the looks. Gilpins overall record of 22-16-2 where he'd lost at his best to guys that had almost as many losses as wins puts things in perspective.

Shufford fought heaps of corpses and lost to some of them as well. He never stepped up or went even close to it. Mittee wasn't a whole lot better. Jung is similar. I would have mentioned Roger Stafford before these guys and he's lower rung.

When did Lloyd fight Darryl Tyson??

Hatcher was at his best at 140 and coming off a loss, Blocker was reasonable but never excelled, Bumpus never went within cooee of fulfilling a little early promise and didn't get much of anything done himself.

Lloyd was better than all those guys but so were others. Lloyd's a good fighter i just think Carlos is a little better. He's quite skilled, punches well with both hands and was durable which would be handy in this one.

 

That is fact that Carlos Palomino was a slow starter, especially in the bouts against Davey Boy Green and Armando Muniz, in which Carlos was decked early against Armando, but once Palomino gets going, its on.

 

I have to say i don't want to come across as bagging Lloyd, he's a very good fighter at his best and is right in this matchup. I'm more than open to opinions favoring him. He's a potentially tough match for just about anyone.

 

Just on the subject of Vaca..he was something like 45-5 with 37 kayoes going into the Honeyghan bout...a slashing type of puncher who does damage..but he'd been stopped 5 times.....a replacement for bobby joe young....duff shouldve known better that the mexican circuit was not a good place to be placing bets....if Carlos had made his 90s comeback ten years earlier he wouldve crossed paths with jorge perhaps

 

They are both good quality fighters and world champions but in this specific matchup I think Lloyd’s physical strength would be to much for Palomino. I also think peak Simon Brown beats him too, these guys were animals in a good way at their best.

 

It's a decent matchup for sure. I'd back Brown over Lloyd.

 

I think Colin Jones was more or less finished after the Don Curry fight but I agree would have made for a good domestic clash which Lloyd would win. I think he was always better than Jones and had more. As for Kirkland Laing it could and should have happened though not sure it would have generated the type of money it should like some of the domestic rivalries we get. Laing is awkward fight for anyone but I struggle to see him beating peak Lloyd Honeyghan certainly over 15 rounds. Laing could make anyone look bad but I have no doubt that Lloyd catches him and puts his lights out. Mickey Duff was not willing to make the fight as he managed both guys. I am told in sparring sessions Laing was making Lloyd look bad so was told not to come back to the training camp.

 

I can see versions of Floyd beating Brown but not the version just coming for a war shoot out. The boxing Lloyd with the reflexes of a cat using movement could beat Brown.

 

I don’t think he is overrated at all. I think he is sometimes underrated and I am a big Don Curry fan.

 

Apologies I mistook Darryl Tyson with Darryl Anthony and Gilson with Gilpin. Gilpin’s record actually defies his toughness. The battles Lloyd had with him developed him into becoming a championship fighter. Mickey Duff was an expert in raising the competition level to develop talented fighters. Stafford is another solid name on his resume and defeating the then undefeated and talented Maurice Blocker was an excellent win on his record. Don’t forget Blocker will later take the title of Marlon Starling.

 

Honeyghan from the Curry fight is severely underrated, it always seems to be the British fighter who get underrated

 

my money would be on Lloyd. Carlos was an okay fighter but there something was missing.

I dont believe in none of this junk such as "Carlos was the better schooled fighter....". In my opinion, Carlos wouldnt have beat Donald Curry much less Lloyd Honeyghan

when in doubt, bet on black!

 

Great to have you back Richard M.