Carlos Zarate: Unbelievable Puncher

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Lately, I have been discovering quite a few boxers from the past. It started with Arguello, and then I became facinated with Daniel Zaragoza. However, in discovering Zaragoza I had come across a fellow that is constantly mentioned in ESB...Carlos Zarate. I read about him and how he was a great puncher, and after seeing his KO Ratio (63 knockouts in 66 wins), I was thinking to myself...

    Does Carlos Zarate have a case for being the hardest puncher P4P of all time? Does his knockout loss to the also hard-hitting Wilfredo Gomez factor, or was it seen as a fight he shouldn't have taken above his natural weight?
     
  2. teeto

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    Definitely one of the most prolific punchers the bantamweight division has ever seen
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    He went on a winning streak of 20 consecutive knockouts...not once...but twice. That is just unbelievable.
     
  4. teeto

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    Was it you that posted recently saying he was the only man to do so? I know someone did, i have him at number 1 at the weight, but that's for another day!!
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I haven't previously posted that, but he is the only man in boxing to have ever achieved that. An unbelievable statistic. He wasn't consistantly knocking guys out when he was fighting stiffs, he was doing it throughout his entire career. I think he has a case for being hardest puncher p4p with stats and accomplishments like that but I've never seen footage of him.
     
  6. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Check out his superfight with Alfonso Zamora. At the time Carlos was the WBC Champ. and Zamora was the WBA Champ. Because of politics it was a nontitle fight. But they fought anyway. Great fight!
     
  7. teeto

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    Ive seen some footage, mostly stuff on youtube, ive read extensively of him, you should see his fight with Zamora, i think that would have been his absolute peak. I would need to really look deeper to analyse if he has a case to be one of the hardest p4p hitters, but from what i understand, he certainly could be.

    Another thing on him, ive posted about this a few times, but his fight with Lupe Pintor, i had a nightmare judging it! Was on youtube, and i thought the rounds were hard enough to judge as it was, then i lost track of where i was somehow, late in the fight aswell, watched it alll in the end but had no idea what my final card was! I still need to watch it again, when i find the hart to do so i'll meet with it again!!
     
  8. teeto

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    Yea going into the fight Zamora had stopped evry1 of his previous opponents and Zarate alll but 1 of his! Zamra wasnt on his level though

    EDIT- That was a reply to you la-califa!
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    Definitely one of the best finishers in the history of the Bantamweight division, if not THE best. According to sources close to him, he was feeling sickly prior to his bout with Gomez. Not sure I buy that though, and I doubt he'd have beaten Gomez at his best anyway.

    He was similar to a slightly smaller Arguello really, not quite as good IMO, nor as proven against top opposition.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Can anybody tell me about how he fought. Was he a counterpuncher, could he box aswell as punch. I'm assuming he had pretty good accuracy to have been prolific as he was. What we the determining factors for his loss to Gomez, was he just caught first, or did he struggle with weight?
     
  11. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If I remember correctly Zamora was 29-0 with 29 Knockouts. & Zarate was 43-0 with 42 knockouts or something pretty close to that. Both were trained by the same man, Cuyo Hernandez. But he stuck with Zarate for this one. Who was actually attacked after the fight by Zamora's father. You can probably see that on a replay of the fight. Lot of bad blood in that one!
     
  12. teeto

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    Thanks for that, i never knew!

    Interesting when you hear of a trainer picking 1 of his fighters over another
     
  13. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not entirely sure, but I believe Lupe Pintor was a stablemate as well.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    He lost to Gomez because Gomez was simply the better fighter at 122 pounds.

    As far as how he fought, like I said he was a tall boxer-puncher with some similarities to Arguello, though not quite as lanky. There's a decent amount of footage on Youtube.

    Here's part of his fight with the highly touted at the time Alfonso Zamora. Both fighters came into the boutt undefeated with a perfect KO percentage, so you can imagine the anticipation at the time.

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  15. teeto

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    Im gunna do the Pintor fight tommorrow defo, i'll post my decision on this thread, about time i just got it done once and for all! You ever judged it yourself? What about you Pea?