Carmen Basilio vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. whos your pick?

You didn't name a fight in his prime. And just for the record, I don't think Floyd Mayweather is any better than Billy Graham.

 

Pender was the only lose I said when Basiliio was past prime at middleweight. Chuck Davey and Graham beat a prime Carmen at 147. As far Mayweather not being any better than Graham, look at it this way. What other former junior-lightweight champ would even be discussed fighting welterweight champs and greats? Graham was one of the best fighters never to win a title, but did come up short against the very best more times than not. Mayweather has won 3 lineal titles, 5 belts in 5weight classes, beaten 12-13 world champions....I think he has proven to be a leve over Graham...he never came up short and excelled agains his best competition.

 

No names Ross Virgo, Vic Cardell, and Lester Felton beat a prime Bassilio at welterweight and also Davey beat him and held him to a draw..he could be outboxed.

Graham was a great contender but lost to Tippy Larkin,Paddy Demarco, Toney Pellone twice and came up short against Gavilan, Giardello and the best of his day...Mayweathr is a more accomplished fighter and better my friend

 

Mayweather wins 120-108, although Mayweatehr may KD Basillo a couple of times. Basillo was made for Mayweather and fights very similarly to Corrales, stays at range and looks for opportunities to throw his combinations. He is nto that difficult too outbox and Mayweather would land his shots at will and get back up. Basillo would occasionally mount attacks and find himself punching air.

 

BTW, Basillo beat ancient versions of Robinson (an SD) and Galivan, in there prime both would beat him comfortably

 

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i see a safe playing floyd outboxing carmen over the entire fight with carmen getting pissed that he wont mix it up like a man

 

Basilio was the One and Only World Champion in two weights.
Floyd has never unified at any weight.
All the real world Champions fought the top 3 men, usually the number 1,unless it was a keep busy, or a warm up fight where they dipped down to say 7,8, or 9.
Floyd and any other Champion of today, with out three or more belts , is not doing that.
A one belt Champ, is fighting at best a real number three but mostly a number 5 guy, or 6. That was the guys that the Champ of yesteryear seldom fought for the Championship. He might have fought a low ranker, still top ten in a non championship fight.

If you ain't' got at least three belts, you ain't champ. IMO, but I'm from back in the BC....Before Color TV and way Before Computer.

Hell today it's news if some contender fights a contender at his level...9 or 10, because all the top 7 are waiting for a Championship fight with someone.

An Elimination fight is still seldom today, in the old days, the single line of Top Ten fighters fought to be number one, not sat on their duffs at number 6, and pick which Champ they figger they got the best chance against.

It would be a much harder fight than you'd expect.

 

Those were all fights out of his prime with the arguable exception of the Davey fight. Basilio could be outboxed, but he had such a will to win that in his prime, it didn't matter, he'd come on and win in any case. The only one that outboxed him in his prime is Kid Gavilan, and that's a disputed decision which many felt Carmen won.

Mayweather is more accomplished? Hilarious.

Graham beat Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Joey Giardello, Art Aragon, Paddy Young, Arto Soto, Johnny Cesario, Jimmy Herring, Terry Young, Tony LaBua, Jimmy Sanders, Tony Pellone, Jean Walzack, Pat Scanlon, Cleo Shans, Willie Beltram, Frankie Carto, Ted Christie and Charley "Cabey" Lewis. That's a resume Floyd would wish of matching and may do it if he fights til the age of 50.

And for the record, pretty much every single loss of Graham's was either close or disputable.

He arguably should be 3-0 against Giardello. He won the third encounter and I have seen the second where I think he clearly outboxed Joey, and the first fight was a disputed loss as well.

 

Maryweather wasn't as dominant against Hatton as expected. Basilio is a gamma-Hatton.

Basilio Decision.

 

Not dominant? He won every round and ko'd him in the 10th

 

I've seen plenty of Basillo and he had the physical appearance of a Castillo/Hatton but often had the more plodding style of a Corrales because he didnt close the gap very quickly and picked him moment more carefully. He took too long to set up attacks and when hes doing that picked apart. Hes just FAR FAR too SLOW

Either way it doesn't matter because he doesn't have the skill to win this match up

 

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How many of the so called champions that Mayweather beat would have actually been champions in Billy Graham's era? Arguably none. And what's more, arguably Mayweather himself wouldn't have been a champion when you consider that he would have been vying for titles with the likes of Robinson, Gavilan, Basilio, Graham, Angott, Jack, Williams, Montgomery and Carter.

And as for never coming up short and excelling against his best competition, the two fights he arguably lost (DLH and Castillo) were actually against his best competiton. As far as I'm concerned, that could have been two losses for him and the W's next to his name mean no more than a SD loss on Graham's ledger.

 

basilio never gets his due.

A much smaller weaker man, that struggled to contain an unskilled labourer like Jose Luis Castillo(the worst high profile lightweight of the past 30 years) at lightweight is just going to box rings around him when the likes of Kid Gavilan couldn't.