Vic,what have you against Carmen Basilio ? Basilio was a true welterweight,and would have no chance against a great natural middleweight. Weight counts. For example were Basilio to fight Fullmer at WW,Basilio most certainly whips Fullmer...Plus Freddie Steele before his breastbone injury,would have a helluva chance to beat any middleweight after his reign, at their bests. Steele was a great middleweight...Cheers...