Carnera-Sharkey 2 was on the level

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  1. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The press took more of a split stance on the fight and its outcome.

    This was not a little tale, but a legitamte question in circulation - did Sharkey find a nice, warm patch of canvas to lie on?
     
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  2. Ted Spoon

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    What happened was Carnera managed to successfully bully the tempromental Sharkey. Jack was not comfortable in there and started looking for way out. He started calculating a way out.

    The uppercut was a scruffy punch, if you will. It had virtually no distance between itself and Sharkey's head and the result was a pushed punch that Sharkey seemed to roll with.

    If you knew how Sharkey ticked inside the ring, his body language prior to the 'knockout' is one of negativity. Not hurt, but he is not being his assertive self and fights sloppily until pushed against the ropes and crinkles up when hit.

    No discredit to Carnera, he did what he did, but we all know how Sharkey blew hot and cold - he was freezing in there and then characteristically gave up. The point? It was a calculated submission, not a legit knockout.
     
    Ted Spoon, Dec 24, 2007
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  3. Sonny's jab

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    There are often members of the press who take that stance with one-punch endings. But if Sharkey made a meal out of that punch - which I dont think he did - then do you think his decision to give up trying to win came before or after he was apparently trying to take Carnera out ?
    He came dangerously close to knocking Carnera out, for a man who's meaning to lose.
    Also, he was knocked down earlier in the same round.The fight looked totally real, hard-fought.

    Also, Sharkey was crap against Schmeling and looked out-of-shape here against Carnera. It's not surprising he lost.

    Those who say Sharkey threw the fight are either RIGHT or they are WRONG. If they are wrong then there's no fire behind the smoke, it's just fabrication and misguided speculation.
     
    Sonny's jab, Dec 24, 2007
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  4. Sonny's jab

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    Do you mean Carnera was the better fighter that night or do you think it was fixed ?

    If you're saying Sharkey quit because Carnera was bullying him, then you have to say all credit to Primo, and the fight's on the level. If a man loses his desire to fight because of the ability of his opponent then that's a hell of a lot different to a fixed arranged loss.

    Not long before the end, Sharkey wobbles Carnera, not long before that Sharkey is floored by the first scruffy uppercut. Sharkey's non-assertiveness in the moments just prior to the end is no different from Carnera's non-assertiveness when Sharkey is doing well.
    It's a COMPETITIVE FIGHT between two stategically erratic performers. They're just fighting. I dont see anything suspicious.
     
    Sonny's jab, Dec 24, 2007
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  5. Ted Spoon

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    Did Sharkey give up trying before or after? No, Sharkey never gave up trying. When things got hairy he was prone to shut down. Was there an intention to submit before hand? No, but again, he was prone.

    The question that bares down is: "Was that a knockout punch?", to which Ted Spoon must say no.
     
    Ted Spoon, Dec 24, 2007
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  6. Ted Spoon

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    Apologies.

    It's the punch that niggles, not whether the fight was on the level. Nothing wrong with the fight, just what level was Sharkey on because the man in there compared to the first Carnera fight is 80% gone.

    Carnera broke the will of a cold Sharkey, but it's the punch that gets glorified over when it looked quite unnatural.
     
    Ted Spoon, Dec 24, 2007
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  7. amhlilhaus

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    I had to laugh at the newspaper article describing a 40 thousand attendance as 'sparse'.
     
    amhlilhaus, Dec 24, 2007
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  8. janitor

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    A distracted and unfocused Sharkey met a hungry and focused Carnera.

    It happens.
     
    janitor, Dec 24, 2007
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  9. Sonny's jab

    Sonny's jab Guest

    I see what you're saying.
    Ted Spoon
     makes valid points here, I'm inclined to agree with.
     
    Sonny's jab, Dec 24, 2007
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