Carnera v Impelletiere

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  1. mcvey

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    Primo Carnera 28 years old ,on the comeback trail after losing his crown to Max Baer takes on novice 7-3-0 Ray Impelletiere .

    Impelletiere does well until he runs out of gas and becomes a sitting duck for Carnera's punches.
    Primo beats him like a drum for several rounds ,landing flush shot after flush shot but cannot ko .or even floor him.It is left to Impelletiere's corner to finally rescue him.

    My question is ,where is the power that saw Carnera score 77kos for a 69% ko ?
    Where is that dynamite that ko'd Sharkey?
    Impelletiere went on to have a further 6 fights over the course of the next year losing 3 of them and finally called it quits after being stopped by light punching183lbs Bob Pastor, who floored him twice enroute to a tko win.

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  2. Unforgiven

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    This fight is included in that statistic. (So your question doesn't quite make sense.)

    Anyway, this shows KO % doesn't equate to devastating one-punch power. A fighter can score 100% KOs with these types of wear-'em-down stoppages.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Well lets take this fight out and make it 76 stoppages.F*ck me talk about pedantry!

    My point, which seems to have escaped you entirely, is that Carnera hit him when he wanted , flush shots to the head , but he kept his feet and the fight was actually stopped by his corner.If Carnera was a big puncher how do we explain that? Especially as he was stopped by Pastor, 17 kos in 65 fights, and dropped twice in the process.
     
  4. janitor

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    The simplest explanation would be that Carnera was a good but not dynamite puncher, and that he scored a lot of KOs due to being matched with a lot of weak opponents.
     
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    I think the implications of my point have escaped you.
    Yes, you can take this KO out, but then we have to take a similarly close look at the other 76 stoppages. Like I said, in theory, a fighter can have 100% stoppages like this.
    More realistically, he will have a variety of different types of stoppages.
    Some fighters score plenty by wearing 'em down, some fighters score plenty on accumulation or on cuts, some just wrestle and club their way to scrappy stoppages without showing any stand-out quality punching.

    69% "KOs" doesn't make a man a "big puncher". You're constructing that line and then questioning it, I don't know why.

    I will say : Impelletiere showed toughness, that much can't be denied.

    I can't comment as much on the Pastor fight, haven't seen it.
     
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    Joe Calzaghe has 70% KO rate, and I don't think he was a dynamite puncher at the top level at all.
     
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    Tyson Fury's KO rate is 72%
    That's the same as Sonny Liston's
     
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    Tyson Fury's is 72% after 25 fights.
    Sonny Liston after 25 fights was only 60%.
     
  9. reznick

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    Real life boxing never follows this "black and white" logic.
    Roberto Davila went the full 8 round distance with George Foreman.

    Lineal ATG HW champ Frazier didn't last 2.
     
  10. mcvey

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    He certainly scored lot of ko's and many of his opponents were certainly weak too, but I don't accept he was a good puncher. Joe Louis said he had "nothing",and he couldn't even dent Loughran's chin and Loughran was taken out by average at best puncher, Sharkey.
     
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    Because I believe Carnera's ko record is padded with," just happy to be getting a payday types," and ,"I'm going for a swim " tank artists
     
  12. janitor

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    I think that we would have to credit Loughran with having a pretty darn good chin.

    No issue there.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I don't think his chin was that great ,he just had great defence.
     
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    I don't really wish to engage with you ,so I'll just point out the obvious . Foreman was a 7 fight novice when he fought the 36 fight Davila. He had a further 30 fights under his belt when he stopped Frazier.
     
  15. janitor

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    Look at the number of elite fighters that he came up against, across various weight classes.


    It is ridiculous.


    Sharkey was not a dynamite puncher, but he was a punishing hitter, who could capture lightning in terms of technique.


    Everything to my mind, points to Loughran having an exceptional chin