I have to actually lean towards Carwin in this fight. I know fundementally Kongo is a better striker then Carwin but he doesnt have the raw power Carwin has or as good wrestling. Velasquez recovery was great vs Kongo but I dont think he would have the same success in a fight with Carwin styles make fights. Velasquez isnt exactly a Lyoto Machida with his defense theres a strong chance he will get caught and if he doesnt get KOed right away like everyone else does facing Carwin he will struggle trying to get the takedown. I do believe Velasquez is a better wrestler but Carwin has those credentials for a reason and a hurt Velasquez trying to get him on his back probablly puts them at the very least on a level playing field. I see Carwin winning by TKO inside the 1st round. I like Velasquez but I have some questions about him hell I have questions about Carwin to considering we havent see this guy fight 2 minutes in.
Ill take that bet; unless you make it conditional that he get hit full power. or just decided after the fight that the person didn't actually have power after all. He survived Kongos different strikes, which are harder than Carwins hands. You can also say the same thing about Carwin's chin, Gonzaga scattered his brain early in that fight and is not a huge puncher, certainly not as big of a puncher as Kongo. They both survived though, so I think the "chin" question is an odd one to bring up. Whats the bet? Early would be first round, maybe first half of second.
Barnett has too many bad loses and is as good as he is going to get. Losing to CroCop 3 times severely damages your ranking, and I am a huge Barnett fan; I think his chances against Fedor are being underestimated.
Also, I don't think the fight will be much of a kickboxing match, Cain will def be looking for the takedown, and I think Carwin's instincts will lead him to look for it too. Velasquez has the advantage on the ground. Carwin vs Gonzaga [yt]rsGpNKzGxG8[/yt] Cain vs Kongo highlights and link to full fight. [yt]d_rQq93civ4[/yt] This content is protected Cain just seems more impressive; Carwin was losing that fight and then blasted Gabe out, but Cain just dominated from start to finish with about 3 exceptions. Hopefully its a great fight though. Worried it will set back both careers though; one loses the fight, and one will almost certainly lose to Lesnar.
You consider Lesnar the 2nd best heavyweight after Fedor ahead of Barnett & Overeem?atsch You just showed me where your opinion ranks. No need to continue this discussion with you.
I could be mistaken but aren't you the guy that said Lesnar is an "equivalent" to a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
Overeem? Are you ****ing joking? Was his submission of Gary Goodridge or Mark Hunt the point when he became a top HW? Or was it earlier when he beat 1-1 bum Tae Hyun Lee? Or was it that he just looked so impressive getting the ever loving **** kicked out of him by Sergei Kharitanov? Overeem has done NOTHING to deserve to mentioned as better than Lesnar. In an actual fight Overeem would be taken down and completely destroyed, it wouldn't be a contest.
If Comprido says he is purple belt level, he is purple belt level, who the hell are you to question Comprido? Not to mention how Lesnar has progressed in Paulsons CSW. Even in a Gi, Lesnar can walk into any BJJ studio in the world and just destroy the purples. In terms of no gi grappling he is black belt level, grappling is not just BJJ. Sorry if you are a butt flopper, fake brazilian accent guy, but any real BJJ fighter will tell you Lesnar is completely legit on the ground. Getting caught by the man with possibly the most dangerous guard, leglocks especially, is not something to be ashamed of. I'm sure "you learned that on the first day" though right? Try it with Mir, then tell me about Lesnars ground game. When has he looked anything but utterly dominant on the ground outside of the sub? He uses alot of wrestling techniques that BJJ guys don't understand or disrespect, like side riding rather than taking the back, but he trains full time with the best big man BJJ instructor in the world, who says he is purple belt level technique wise.
Since the last of his 3 losses to CroCop: A great footlock finish after a competitive fight against Nastula Lost to Nog Dominated and heel hooked Yoshida Boring decisioned Monson KO'd Rizzo Eventually KO'd Yvel afte having mount all damn fight Basically the pattern is a close loss, and then wins against not so good fighters; considering Barnett's losses, its not automatic to rank him higher than Brock.
I'm not questioning anything. Lesnar is NOT at purple belt level. If you have 2 eyes and some goddamn sense you'd see that for yourself. Other than his wrestling, where's his ground at? Where's his sub game at? He's a big ape that lays on you. So because Comprido says he's at purple belt level, that's it, you believe him? Damn then you must believe anything then. And did you call me a butt flopper, fake Brazilian accent guy? What are you in high school, or are you in school high? Or is that just average tough talk from a computer assassin that I can't physically put my hands on? Now you say Lesnar is a black belt:rofl You're a moron. You're just a moron. So because he's dominate on the ground with his wrestling that automatically in YOUR MIND makes him a black belt. Damn you're stupid. I hope you keep CROCK-RIDING when Fedor kicks his stupid ass. Lesnar is gonna need some testicule slobbing from someone other than his wife:tong
Done nothing? Oh I don't know, Alistair is just the strikeforce heavyweight champion. But I guess you're so sniffed up Lesnar's ass you would think some **** like that. And funny you mention Tae Hyun Lee, but you don't mention when Alistair knocked out Badr Hari If you actually think Alistair doesn't have a chance against Lesnar, then once again, I think you're a moron. Overeem would fu*kin **** Lesnar on the feet. The CROCKSTER got a little nervous getting hit by Mir in round 2, you damn right he'd take Overeem down like a homo. Overeem would ice that redneck.
Please explain the mistakes he made on the ground in his last fight. Seemed to me he wasn’t ever in danger against a very accomplished bjj fighter. And when is it that you think he should have gone for a sub? And why? To impress people like you? Rich Franklin hasn’t subbed anyone in almost five years, so I guess he must be down to a white belt. [/quote] I can’t stand Lesnar and I was hoping Mir would break him in half, but Lesnar owned him on the ground. No way around it, he got better position and kept it the whole fight. I’m sure Comprido has seen Lesnar’s pure jj game a lot closer up than you have, so yeah, I’ll take his word over yours. Unless of course you want to explain the many glaring mistakes that Lesnar made that no purple belt would every make and also why Mir, a black belt, didn’t capitalize on them. Why shouldn’t wrestling count in grappling? It determines who has the better position and who keeps it once they have it, which is key to winning a match. You don’t like Lesnar and neither do I, but for ****’s sake try to have an ounce of subjectivity about his skills or you come off sounding like an idiot.
I can’t stand Lesnar and I was hoping Mir would break him in half, but Lesnar owned him on the ground. No way around it, he got better position and kept it the whole fight. I’m sure Comprido has seen Lesnar’s pure jj game a lot closer up than you have, so yeah, I’ll take his word over yours. Unless of course you want to explain the many glaring mistakes that Lesnar made that no purple belt would every make and also why Mir, a black belt, didn’t capitalize on them. Why shouldn’t wrestling count in grappling? It determines who has the better position and who keeps it once they have it, which is key to winning a match. You don’t like Lesnar and neither do I, but for ****’s sake try to have an ounce of subjectivity about his skills or you come off sounding like an idiot.[/quote] First off mentioning Rich Franklin in this subject makes YOU an idiot. Franklin has been a pro fighter for a very long time and because he hasn't subbed anyone in a while doesn't mean anything. Nobody in this thread is talking about Franklin. Your comparison SUCKS. As far as the mistakes Lesnar made? He made none. It's basic grappling to control the wrists & the head. That doesn't make Lesnar a purple belt. I never said Lesnar wasn't a great wrestler. I never said he should have gone for a sub against Mir. If you're reading correctly then you'd know that. But he did have Heath Hearring ready to be put out of his misery and he couldn't finish him. It was obvious he wasn't sure what to do, so he continued to dry hump him. That's NOT a purple belt. When did I say wrestling doesn't count in grappling? Please tell me where I said that. I speak on when people overrate Lesnar's Jiu-jitsu game. It's been known for years great wrestlers give Jiu-Jitsu guys problems. I never dogged Lesnar's wrestling. It's pretty much all he's got. It's how he beat Mir, Lesnar didn't beat Mir with his Jits. And that's obvious. If people wanna call Lesnar a great wrestler then that's fine, but don't say this dude is a black belt or some crazy **** like that. That's ridiculous so I'm gonna get on some nerves, which obviously I'm doing
The only concrete criticism you’ve made about Lesnar’s jits is “where is his sub game?” My point with Franklin is that you can’t base someone’s ability on something you haven’t seen them try to do. Maybe he just really liked beating on Herring. Who knows? You assume it’s because he doesn’t know anything and his instructor who has seen him do a lot more than you says he knows a good amount. He made no mistakes, and yet you’re somehow sure his level is being over sold. EXPLAIN WHY. Controlling the wrist and head doesn’t make him a purple belt, but it sure doesn’t exclude that from the realm of possibility. As for “black belt no gi”, I don’t even know who cares about that stuff. If he went and did ADCC and did well, would that count as “black belt”? Hughes doesn’t have any sort of belt, but by seeing what he does to so called “legit” black belts, people say he’s clearly at that level in no gi and no one ever argues. Is Lesnar a straight armbar from half guard on a Joe Riggs level heavyweight away from that status?
Actually there's a difference between a basic black belt & a black belt world champion. Which I'm sure you know. Take for example at UFC 46 when Matt Serra fought Jeff Curran. Serra was able to out class Curran because Curran was a basic black belt and Serra is a world champion. No bullsh*t Matt Hughes actually holds a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu. He's just not at world champion level. He'd get tapped vs world champion black belts in a grappling competition IMO. As for Lesnar, he probably has an understanding. Joe Rogan says it all the time, if you're great at one thing then that translates into everything else you put your mind to or some sh*t like that. However Lesnar hasn't been doing this long enough, he's still pretty green. So as big as he is and as good a wrestler he is he better be able to hold some guys down and pound on them. However that doesn't mean he's this black belt or whatever the hell that other guy said, I really felt that was to far out there, but I understand you now.