Case for Mexican ATG?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by la-califa, Mar 31, 2010.


  1. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Gonzalez surrering such a terrible cut early on & still was able tou stay away & outbox a very,very good fighter like Carbajal, was at the least terribly impressaive!
    There are many cases of a great fighter looking very bad in his prime ..Just lLook at James Toney & his "Loss" to Dave Tiberi.
     
  2. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I got a quick response on that question Addie...

    but still no answer of what you think of Casanova...so I guess you have no answer then...

    Just trying to get your answer to that question...
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I fail to have an opinion on a fighter I've never seen fight before.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    There was nothing terribly impressive about their rematches in my judgment. The return fight was a close affair, Gonzalez deserves credit for just doing enough to get the verdict with his intelligent tactics. I don't think Carbajal was much by the time of the rubber match, he seemed to have a short time where he was an impressive fighter, but he beat really good Light Flyweights and his achievements are second to none. He's my choice for third best Light Flyweight of all time.
     
  5. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    thanks for an answer... fair in light of the fact footage of him is rare.

    would you at least say on the basis of resume you would want to see film of him?
     
  6. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Carbajal was excellent against Kittikassem, albeit a pretty raw version.

    he would set up the heavy punches with a good stiff jab then, taking his time to methodically pick fighters apart rather than just stalking and looking to load up.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    The best performance of his career. Kittikassem never would have been able to deal with Michael's fire power, it was numbing him almost straight away.

    The foundation was there for Carbajal to develop into a truly great fighter regardless of weight class. His technique was lovely, genuine knockout power in both fists, and he had great punch variety. Never abandoned the body, good jab when he used it. I think he fell in love with his power, thinking he could knock everybody out. His defense was null and void also, it practically consisted of him tucking his chin down to reduce the impact rather than actually maneuvering out of the way of shots.

    Still, beat many former world champions, unified, and was a 4-5 time champion at the weight.
     
  8. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How quickly they forget. When Zarate fought Gomez, he was undefeated in something like 70 fights. almost ALL won by knockout Zarate was the terror of the Bantamweight Division. & had kayoed WBA cxounterpart Alfonso Zamora. As well as beating Rudolfo Martinez, who was a very good fighter himself. Going into the Gomez fight it was virtually a pick ' um fight. That's against perhaps the greatest Puerto Rican fighter of all time. Now that is alot of respect, for a great Champion.
     
  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They were equally inexperienced, so im gonna give Carbajal full credit for that win. Kittikasem had already defended his title a few times, and this was Michaels first shot.
     
  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats funny i remember my dad saying the same thing about Carbajal, and this was almost 20 years ago.
     
  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Yeah, i agree.Didn't mean to imply otherwise

    Kittikassem did improve at Flyweight though.He could have given a better account of himself, but likely didn't ever have the chin or sufficient edge in skill to get a win over Michael.
     
  12. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I did some research and contacted Fernando Paramo the biggest authority on Mexican Boxing I could find.

    I asked him:

    Mr. Paramo I have a question for you. Simply put where does Rodolfo Casanova fit into Mexican boxing? No one hardly ever mentions his name.


    He answered:

    "Chango" Casanova falls into the category of "Leyenda", of the time where many mexican fighters did not really venture out of Mexico..His personality, drinking and great mexican opponents and fights made him an idol, mostly by newspaper articles and word of mouth... no television.


    he then gave me the link to the following article it is in Spanish and I will work on translating it for those who can't understand it.

    The article basically states.

    1. He had brutal power...one punch ko power

    2. That he almost killed Tommy Young dropped him unconcious and his own corner could not wake him up and he was carried back to his locker room.

    3. In 1938 when he beat Freddie Miller the featherweight champ in a brutal fight that went the distance. Miller's doctors had to inject adrenaline into his heart as he was moments from death.

    3. When he beat Kid Azteca ...Azteca Outweighed him by 5 kilos



    http://www.elregio.com/cdin/pdf/src/92008-08-27_680.pdf
     
  13. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Excellent stuff ricard...much appreciated.
     
  14. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He sounds like a monster from what the article says...