Cassius Clay runs from Amos Lincoln, 1961

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No,,,,,,,,,,I do not hate anyone,,,,,,,

    Nothing but views from an independent observer.

    Read my posts concerning his great visit to Africa in 1964.
    Nothing but cheers for him on a fantastic goodwill tour.
     
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  2. Jorodz

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    what a prankster that SNV!
     
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  3. Boxed Ears

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    What the hell is going on in your avatar, Jorodz? :lol:
     
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  4. Jorodz

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    haha the wife and i watched A Single Man with colin firth this morning and i thought `what`s the gayest colin firth avatar i can get...`. i found this doozy of him jumping over a ****ing rainbow. check and mate
     
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  5. cuchulain

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    This thread is funny, even by your standards.

    Lincoln was unranked his entire career save for a brief appearance at # 6 in 1965.

    In 1961, he was coming off a ten-fight winning streak against ten unranked opponents, who had, combined, won 108 of their 201 career fights.

    Only 6 of them had winning records.

    In short, Amos was pretty much a nobody.

    He had been a pro for seven years with 31 bouts.

    And he was calling out a 19 year old kid with seven pro fights in a seven month career ?

    Get the **** outta here.
    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  6. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    MoMo,,,,,,,,

    Obviously the only ranking you picked up was a Ring Magazine year end
    ranking.......

    I guess you did not check the IBC or WBA rankings.

    He called out a young Cassius Clay, because Clay was calling out everybody else.
    And if you do a little homework, Amos Lincoln was a pretty good fighter
    on some nights.
    Please don't tell me Duke Sabedong was better than Amos Lincoln.

    Lincoln had been out of boxing for 3 1/2 years, and came back in 1961, and was looking to
    make some noise. He was unbeaten in 18-straight bouts.
     
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  7. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dave,

    When Cassius was fighting Duke Sabedong in Las Vegas, this is where Amos Lincoln
    made his challenge.

    Amos tried to petition ABC-TV to put him on versus Cassius on the July 22, 1961
    televised bout, but the LSG management team opted for Alonzo Johnson, and easier opponent.

    Lincoln had won 3-straight bouts since coming back after a 3 1/2 year lay-off.
    He was 17-0-1 since his last loss, a TKO on cuts back in 1955, when he was only 19 years-old.
     
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  8. reznick

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    To be fair, I think it was the first time you posted something like that.

    Which is excellent. I don't sense your the type of person to admit it, but I think your starting to see our point and maybe thats why you made the Africa visit thread. Which is good. Now when theres a BALANCE, you will not get as much flak for posting information that puts him in a bad light. But as long as you "twist the ratio" so to speak of bad deeds vs good ones, you will get called out for it, and your credibility will go down in many of our minds. It just is what it is.


    Its refreshing to see a person with great research dedication to use his skills to give us something we actually want to hear.


    You know, if you actually watch all those documentaries that "praise" Ali, they actually do always show a bad side of him. But people forget about it sooner than they forget about his good deeds. Because thats what healthy happy people want to hear, and thats what they are interested in.
     
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  9. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes,,,,,,,,,MR. REZ,,,,,,,,,,point well taken,,,,,,,,will adjust and balance the posts.

    One of the issues with other fighters in 1961 and 1962, perhaps some jealousy over attention Cassius Clay was getting, including some nice TV Fights.

    One anticipated bout, was proposed between Franco De Piccoli and Cassius Clay
    in Rome, Italy. Lots of Italian TV money was in the waiting,,,,,,,,,
    But, the promoters realized it was way too early to match the Olympic Gold Medal Winners.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Interesting stuff

    Was there a public statement as to why Ali's people didn't go for it? Maybe he was still trying to rise the ranks in America.


    Or maybe he didnt want to get on that damn plane :rofl
     
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  11. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Way too early for that kind of bout.

    Both groups were hoping one or the other would get the title, and then
    there would be a title fight in Italy.

    Both did fight under a protective umbrella, but De Piccoli was upset by
    old war-horse Wayne Bethea, in March 1963, after battering Bethea
    for 3 Rounds, the Italian southpaw ran into a right hand in Round 4,,,,,"buonasera"

    How good was Wayne Bethea at that time, since 1956 (7 years) he had gone 9-11-0 (3 KO's).
     
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  12. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol::yep
     
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  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gracias por del informacion .
    Hilo Ileno con auro .
     
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  14. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just think this is a very good thread and I quoted it's important parts as can b seen 2 some .
     
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  15. Saintpat

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    Well, at least he seems to be conceding that if he were white he would have lost the first two title challenges -- else why would he need three?
     
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