Cassius Clay vs Alex Miteff (How Much Did They Pay Alex To Take A Dive)

Actually, there were plenty of hot young prospects who LOST in their TV debuts.

Lamar Clark is a good example. Why didn't they buy off his opponent?

Florentino Fernandez was hot as a fire******* until he got taken out in 1 by Rocky Kalingo. Why didn't they buy off Rocky Kalingo?

Alex Miteff himself was one. An undefeated comer until blown out in one round by Mike DeJohn.

 

You have to have money to buy a fight.
Clay had wealthy backers determined to buy a heavyweight championship.

 

Huh? rusak....give me a break! judges verdicts are final and every knowledgable boxing historian knows this. You win or lose the title in the ring and winning a close decision here and there does not in any way tarnish the legitimacy of a championship reign. Unless you or the nut case have very strong evidence that Ali's fights were fixed and you don't you are only making yourselves out to be ignorant.

 

Why does anyone even waste their time responding this poster's inane bull****. He's a proven liar with a ridiculous bias bordering on mania against certain fighters. It goes well beyond revision. He literally made up several pages worth of an interview with Ali where Ali claimed he couldnt beat Ken Norton. You are better off arguing with a tree stump.

 

If the clown argued the case for your Frazier's,Norton's and Young's over Ali then that's legitimate.
However he talks up largely nondescript fighters who were around when Ali was on the way up,who he needed the fix to beat or ducked.
If you look at Ali's opponents up to when he won the title there was only one with a losing record,Ali actually had it a lot harder compared with other subsequent champions on the way up.
Having said that I'm wasting my time Mr Pepe obviously has serious issues with Ali and is incapable if taking an objective view.Let's face it he can't even bring himself to
call him by his name.

 

Nobody got busted up or knocked out. Ali was very much the punk kid in this step up fight, looking almost out of his depth until Miteff gave up the ghost - as was his prerogative as “the opponent”.

To me it looked like a fight where one guy knows only a knock out will give him a win but if the KO wont happen he feels he has earned his wages and dumps it. Why not? He wont get the decision.

No question Ali went on to prove himself beyond all expectation later on but as a kid here in this fight this (as often is the case) was an awkward night that could have went either way for a few rounds.

You could argue Alex had already landed the kind of shots that might have folded up a built up prospect who wasn’t going to make it. He had tried to win but knew his place, if Alex decided to go into the tank he decided there and then -NOT before hand otherwise why was he trying to knock the kid out?

 

What fight are you watching? Ali had Miteffs eye all messed up which is called being busted up by the way. In the end Ali scored the stoppage which is called a knock out in boxing again by the way. If your that much of an amateur OK its a TKO. Ali busted him up before scoring a very clear stoppage. No way he could continue. The other poster is correct those that know what they are doing on here are just wasting time commenting on such trash posts.

 

Miteff always lowered his hands daring his opponent to hit him. There is absolutely no evidence of what you are trying to claim. I'm done with this trash magnet.

 

Doesnt surprise me at all:deal

 

The late Gil Clancy Keeping It Real!!!

ZL: I wanted to ask you about a heavyweight that I’ve always found intriguing, Sonny Liston. I don’t believe you worked with him, but did you know him at all?

GC: No, just hello and goodbye.

ZL: Was he as scary a man as they say he was?

GC: Oh, sure. Everyone was scared to death of him. He always gave you that baleful look, no matter what. He was suspicious of everybody.

ZL: I heard from an old timer that when a boxing gym got wind Liston was coming through town, they take down their good equipment and put up the ratty stuff, cause he’d literally beat the stuffing out of it. Any truth to this?

GC: I don’t believe it, no.

ZL: Too bad, I’d always liked that story—it made me think of a little defenseless town bracing itself before a hurricane struck…. Here’s something I’ve been looking forward to asking you about: the Liston-Ali fights. They fought twice. It’s a subject of much debate. Was there a fix? (In the second bout, the more controversial of the two, Ali knocked Liston out in 1 round with a short right hand—it was so short, almost no one saw it; Ali called it “the anchor punch.”)

GC: No. In the second fight, Ali really hit him. One my fighters, Alex Miteff, fought Ali. Miteff was a tough, tough guy from Argentina. And he was really doing a pretty good job on Ali’s body. All of a sudden, Ali just hit him with a little right hand: down and out for ten. Ten! Just caught him right.

ZL: I’ve heard that Liston bet on himself to lose?

GC: You’ll always hear that kind of crap.

ZL: The Liston that Ali fought was pretty shopworn. He wasn’t the same fighter he once was, right?

GC: No, he was still a pretty tough guy.

 

I think most of thd $10,000 was paid by the TV network, not by the local promoter.

If Miteff won, he would have put himself in line for a few more TV shows. You are making a whole series of assumptions that it was in Miteff's interest to lose, but I don't think it was.

And I don't buy that the businessmen behind Ali would have used physical threats or something like that to intimidate Miteff.

This is really sort of silly. Let's say Miteff got the bout on the basis he was going to take a dive. How do they make him do it once he is in the ring with Ali? What are they going to do. Shoot him? Kill his wife? Go to the boxing commission and whine that Miteff agreed to take a dive but double-crossed them.

You are, by the way, apparently arguing both sides of the street--Miteff was a fading bum, so ko'ing him was nothing. But also they paid him a big wad of money to take a dive.