Cassius Clay vs. Alonzo Johnson 'A Kentucky Flop'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    Saturday Night- July 22, 1961

    Cassius Clay 7-0-0 (5 KO's) vs Alonzo Johnson 18-7-0 (6 KO's)

    20 year-old (20 years, 6 months) Cassius Clay, escaped with a
    'questionable' 10-Round Unanimous Decision over one-time prospect
    and now 'trial-horse' 26 1/2 year-old Alonzo Johnson.

    Many of the 6000 in attendance at the Freedom Hall State Fairgrounds
    in Louisville, had switched from cheering on the hometown boy, to favoring
    the visiting opponent.

    The undefeated Cassius Clay, at 6' 3" and 192 lbs., was unable to
    score with any heavy blows, and spent most of the 10-Rounds moving
    backwards versus a fighter who by all accounts, is a light-hitter with
    no punch.

    The 1960 Olympic Gold Medal Winner looked completely indifferent in the
    early rounds, as the 6' 0" 189 lb. Alonzo Johnson was the aggressor,
    and the one making the fight. It appeared to many neutral observers at
    ringside, that Cassius was running away from a fight.

    In one early exchange, after getting tagged by a light left hook, Cassius
    ducked and ran away, leading some at ringside to call him 'Cassius the Coward'.

    Kentucky Sports Journalist, Red Dillon - 'Just like some of the race horses that
    are supposed to be unbeatable, but end up being also rans. Cassius turned out
    to be a 100% pure bred Kentucky Flop'.

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  2. TBooze

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    If Ali was a flop, what is a success?
     
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    "Cassius Clay Defeats Alonzo Johnson"

    Cassius Clay won a Unanimous Decision, but it was not entirely popular, as
    many in attendance boo'ed when the Decision was announced.

    The bout had some 'brisk moments', but neither fighter packed a punch,
    and there were times of amateurish slapping. Cassius' best punches of
    the fight came from his right hand, while Alonzo Johnson showed a decent
    left hook to the body.

    The first 4-Rounds, were closely fought, with neither fighter taking control.
    Cassius was most effective in Round 5, when he was able to land some fairly
    decent right hands. But, Alonzo came back to have a solid 6th Round, by
    landing good left hooks.

    Cassius did take control in Round 7, but Alonzo stayed right in front of
    him, by putting pressure on him.

    Alonzo Johnson was the on the canvas '3-Times', but each visit was ruled as
    a proper slip.

    Cassius did show plenty of 'whiz, but little 'bang', as the Freedom Hall fans
    boo'ed continously through the last 3-Rounds.
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    'The Kentucky Flop' statement was from July 1961.......:patsch
     
  5. Pachilles

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    You've posted the source, but edited the quotes yourself...

    Why would you do that? Why would you not consider that we can just zoom in?
     
  6. Senor Pepe'

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    Alonzo Johnson,,,,

    'I lost this fight in Louisville, Kentucky. In Cassius Clay's hometown, and they
    boo'ed him. What does that tell you.'

    'If this bout were held in my hometown in Pittsburg, I would have clearly gotten the
    proper decision. Look at one of the judges scorecards (Walter Beck). He had it
    48-47, and he's good friends with Clay's Manager - Bill Faversham. That is all you need to know.'
     
  7. scartissue

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    To make a statement like that about a 20 year old kid with 7 fights after beating a fighter who held wins over Willie Pastrano, Nino Valdez, Tony Anthony and Jimmy Slade, I think it's safe to say within 6 months of that statement Red Dillon had to feel like a 100% Kentucky arsehole.
     
  8. TBooze

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    Exactly, I would not want him as a judge!
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Easy, T Booze,

    Lets not make out like Alonzo Johnson was some kind of monster,,,,,,

    The guy couldn't punch, as he was a certified 'feather-fisted boxer'.

    Now, by mid-1959 Alonzo looked like a 'prospect' by going 16-1-0 (5 KO's), but
    since that time he had gone 2-6-0 in his last '8-bouts', and Alonzo had only '2-bouts'
    in the past year.

    And little Alonzo was only a 6' 0" 180 lb. fighter, and he had to fight at Heavyweight
    to make any 'money'.

    If that bout was held anywhere but Louisville, Alonzo gets the Decision 47-46 (4-3-3 in Rounds).
     
  10. TBooze

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    I some how doubt a fighter with big money behind him, is not going to get the benefit of any 'alleged' doubt, anywhere.

    But as a comparison to the 'modern' Heavyweight prospect (MHP), it is an interesting study.

    Ali fought as often as the 'general' MHP, but look at the step up in class, compared to his modern peers. Ali's management took on the face of it, 'risky fights', but they were, with hindsight, in control of the situation, and I guess early on knew they had something special in Ali.

    It is a bit sad, that modern promotions so often lack the confidence in MHP. Fearing a lost of the '0', even in a close fight, where it seems the MHP would benefit long term from a defeat.
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

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    T Booze,,,,,,

    Excellent Point............

    Seems back in the early days,,,,, a loss or two was no 'big deal', just a part of
    the maturation game.

    Nowadays, one loss, and everybody says that you're washed up.
     
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    The Joplin-Herald

    'Feet Not Made Of Clay'

    Sometimes a body can get pretty sick of home, but in Cassius Clay's case,
    thankfully he stayed close to Freedom Hall, and compassionate judges.

    Cassius Clay is lean, but that's about all we can say about this 19 year-old
    Heavyweight. In Saturday Night's bout, Cassius looked like a 'hungry cat trapped in a barrel'.

    The Joplin-Herald has never been so disappointed in 'highly promoted fighter'. He showed
    absolutely nothing, and unless this kid learns something, and quick, somebody is going
    to plant him like a tent pole.

    Most of the other professional boxers who watched, just shook their heads and stated,
    that he 'looked like a glorified amateur'. And Alonzo Johnson, the Pittsburg Heavyweight,
    after getting over his initial amazement, finally realized that this kid had nothing and went
    after him after giving him a couple of rounds.

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    Sports Illustrated,

    Pre-fight prediction,

    Alonzo Johnson is the type of opponent you bring in, when you want
    your fighter to look better than he really is. In several of his last '8-bouts',
    in which Alonzo has lost '6', he did just that.

    His chances are 'slim-to-none' in defeating Cassius Clay, and though this
    bout is on National Television, you should be able to change your TV Dial
    by the 5th-Round, because Alonzo won't be there for the 6th.

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  14. ron u.k.

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    Pepe. Apart from the fact you hate Ali with a vengeance,what's your point here?
     
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    Ron U.K.

    I thought you would enjoy 'A Blast from the Past'.

    A little 'in-depth information' is good to know.

    Like the scorecards of that Nationally Televised bout.

    * Don Asbury.............50-44 (6-0-4 in Rounds)
    * Warwick Edwards.....48-45 (5-3-2 in Rounds)
    * Walter Beck............48-47 (3-2-5 in Rounds)

    Do you know what all '3' officials had in common. They were all
    'close personal friends' of William Faversham Jr.

    And Bill Jr. 'owned' Cassius Clay. As Bill Jr. would say, 'I like to protect my investment'.