Cassius Clay vs Doug Jones (3/13/63)

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Clay showed me that I'll get locked up for murder if we're ever matched." - Sonny Liston"

    1963-03-13 : Muhammad Ali 202½ lbs beat Doug Jones 188 lbs by UD in round 10 of 10

    Unofficial Scorecards:
    AP: 5-4-1 Jones
    UPI:
    6-3-1 Clay
    • Long Beach Press-Telegram: 7-1-2 Clay
    • Oakland Tribune: 5-4-1 Jones
    • AP poll of 15 writers at ringside: 7 for Clay, 5 for Jones and 3 even
    • UPI poll of 25 writers at ringside: 13 for Jones, 10 for Clay and 2 even
    Notes:
    Clay was a 3 to 1 favorite.
    • A few days before the fight, Clay changed his knockout prediction from six rounds to four rounds.
    • The fight was shown on closed circuit TV in 40 locations in 38 cities.
    • A capacity crowd of 18,732 filled Madison Square Garden.
    • The live gate was $104,943, and the closed circuit telecast brought in about $200,000.
    • Clay earned about $90,000 and Jones $75,000.
    • Named The Ring Fight of the Year.
    Quotes:
    • "I didn't like the picture in the papers of Jones reading a book called The Rise and Fall of Cassius Clay." - Cassius Clay on why he changed his knockout prediction from six rounds to four rounds.
    • "I would say I won the fight by about seven rounds to three." - Cassius Clay
    • "I thought I won it no worse than 6-3-1." - Doug Jones
    • "I thought I was going to finish him in the fourth, but he's tougher than I thought he was. I understand Liston is watching. When I get back to Miami, I'll take care of the bum. He'll fall in eight. I won't mess around next time." - Cassius Clay
    • "I'm not knocking his big mouth. He made me a lot of dough. He talks a lot outside but doesn't show much in the ring. He better fight me again before he even thinks of Liston." - Doug Jones
    • "Clay will be Liston's next title opponent at Philadelphia in June or July—after we get rid of Floyd Patterson on April 10." - Jack Nilon, adviser to Sonny Liston
    • "Clay showed me that I'll get locked up for murder if we're ever matched." - Sonny Liston
     
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  2. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

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    I always thought Clay/Ali won by a good margin. I once had it 6-3-1 for Clay
     
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  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    His Ted Lowry moment.
    Im sure someone will point out how the comparison isn't picture perfect because of so and so reason. Yawn.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know it's a controversial fight, but here is the way I saw it. Cassius Clay v Doug Jones

    Round 1: Jones
    Round 2: Clay
    Round 3: Clay
    Round 4: Jones
    Round 5: Jones
    Round 6: Even
    Round 7: Clay
    Round 8: Jones
    Round 9: Clay
    Round 10: Clay

    5-4-1 Clay
     
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  5. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The crowd booed the decision...they threw peanuts into the ring...Clay picked them up...ate them...and threw the shells back into the crowd!!!
     
  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    grea psycholoy trick by dundee/clay to get sonny o underestimate him.
     
  7. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Was kind of like the Danny Jacobs moment that GGG had. GGG looks
    poor; gets a Canelo paycheck. Clay/Ali looks vulnerable, get a title shot.
     
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me too. I had it either 7-3 or 6-4 for Clay
     
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  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whether you liked Cassius Clay back then or not, he was good for boxing. This mid-level heavyweight fight in mid-week, was shown on closed circuit TV in 40 locations in 38 cities. Followed by the Henry Cooper fight 3 months later with more controversy, and 9 months later with the Big Bear himself. (Of course, Angie Dundee's brother Chris, was a wrestling promoter in Miami, the site of the first Liston Title fight.) I scored the fight "close" Ali's way...when I watch it back in 1963.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That was Ali, he was a proper showman even then.
     
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    7-3 Clay. All those whipped up into a frenzy about some phantom robbery are simply parroting something they heard their dad say once or just don't know how to score a fight.
     
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  12. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones put up a good fight but I can't give him anymore than four rounds,maybe only three.
     
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  13. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones caught Ali with some good shots but..........
     
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  14. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    It’s actually a great fight, this one.

    It might not seem much (7 lbs in weight) , but Ali grew into himself that bit more by the time he fought Liston - which made quite the difference, and he still had some filling out to do after he won the title.

    Oh boy, this fight then the Cooper fight next…as happenstance would have it, Liston was truly being misled as to who he would be actually facing come Miami, Feb1964. Amazing.