Cassius Clay vs. Doug Jones

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Please discuss.
     
  2. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Close fight. Jones had good skills, decent speed, pretty nimble and was throwing sharp, straight punches, Clay couldn't solve the puzzle early on and Doug had a lead in the first half of the fight. Clay often had difficulty with lighter guys as his own speed was less of a factor. Still, despite me scoring it even after 8 rounds, Clay certainly wins the final two to give him the duke: 6-4 (on my card).
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, Jones definitely held his own in this one, and there are many people I know whom I have a great deal of respect for when it comes to boxing opinions, and many of them feel, at best, Clay deserved a draw.

    I think Clay nudged it out, too, and I think you nailed it with him pulling it out near the end of the bout.

    The fact remains, the crowd seemed displeased about the decision, as they booed the verdict. So some people obviously did feel that Jones did enough, and I was curious if there were any such individuals here (although, it appears this thread went over like a lead balloon).

    Jones was quite resourceful that night.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Spot on. 6-4 was my score. A draw would have all right too. However those who saw the fight live at Madision Square Garden felt Doug Jones won.
     
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    6-3-1 for Ali.

    I failed to see the big controversy for the decision. The crowd went nuts whenever Jones throw anything within a foot of Ali.
     
  6. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Competitive, but Ali deserved the win. He was simply far too busy for Jones.
     
  7. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doug Jones had wins against Zora Folley and Bob Foster just prior to his fight with Ali. So he wasn't that bad at the time Ali fought him.
     
  8. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frankly, I thought Ali won clearly. I've seen the fight repeatedly and always come away with the conclusion that a draw would have been very generous to Jones.
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I think it's somewhat comparable to Lewis-Mercer; a close win where the crowd clearly favored the losing fighter during and after the fight.
     
  10. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    Ali squeaked by. I love this fight. I have always viewed this, for some reason, as one era ending and a new one beginning. Everyone was there, and everyone was dressed up and just about everyone from boxings history that was still alive was there. Many seeing Ali for the first time.

    I have this fight 5-4-1.

    If this fight were held today, people on the main forum would be pronouncing Ali as "All hype" and that he would get trounced by Liston.
    you just never know...
     
  11. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Could the people who had this fight for Jones please give their round-by-round scoring?
     
  12. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clay at that stage of his career was not well liked by many people
    and was known as the "Louisville Lip" for his bragging ways.

    I saw the fight "live" on TV in Houston and felt that Clay had
    pulled out a close fight.

    Doug Jones was more experienced than Clay, was motivated, and had the skills to neutralize some of Clay's best assets.

    I think that win helped Clay a lot becaue it was his first really tough fight.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Not to mention the Cooper fight that followed.. :admin:eek:tta
     
  14. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was at that fight, have no idea of my round by round, I thought it should have gone to Jones, or been a draw. A lot of people cheering for Clay (he had not changed name yet) were booing decision after fight.

    I also saw 3rd fight with Norton, and that one had a bad reaction from ringside Ali fans, even ones betting on him thought he lost---but they still took their money :yep
     
  15. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    I had it 7-2-1. Clay just threw too many punches for Jones to win. the rounds themselves were close, but Clay's fast flurries stole most of the rounds.:good
     


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