Cassius Clay vs George Chuvalo 'A Toronto Bust'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    The 'live gate' was $120,000

    Cassius Clay received a fight purse of $90,000
    George Chuvalo received $35,000

    Main Bouts, Inc. (Bob Arum) who promoted the bout, lost money
    on this promotion, in a bout that nobody wanted.

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  2. fatcity

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    Let's be fair about this.It did have a number of obsticles to over come just to get it to Toronto.
     
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  3. Legend X

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    Ernie Terrell pulled out, so I guess Chuvalo was a natural choice as replacement simply because he was a Toronto fighter.

    But no one took this fight seriously. Chuvalo was not a particularly worthy contender at this point. He'd lost just two months earlier to Eduardo Corletti. Hardly credentials to mount a serious challenge to the world champion.
     
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  4. Lord Tywin

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    Thats right. It started out as a rematch of Ali-Terrell in Chicago. It got booted from Chicago due to the draft issue and was bounced around until it landed it Canada.

    On short notice Terrell was out and they scrambled to find a replacement that would sell in Canada. It was dumb luck that they got a Canadian (Chuvalo) who was rated in the top ten on such notice, otherwise it would have lost a lot more money or wouldnt have been put on at all.
     
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  5. Senor Pepe'

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    Yes,

    The press called it a 'flagrant mismatch', as George had been previously 'drubbed'
    by Ernie Terrell, and had recently lost to a young Argentinian prospect named 'Eduardo Corletti'.

    Though, it appears that the Toronto Maple Leaf Gardens may be a sell-out viwed by
    17,500 boxing fans, over 170 theater operators have cancelled their contracts for the
    closed circuit broadcast.

    Only '21' cities will carry this bout, with a gross-net revenue of only $40,000 expected.

    Toronto Commissioner, Merv McKenzie - after much flack from the press, has changed
    the venue from World Heavyweight Championship, to a 'Heavyweight Showdown'.

    Cassius Clay who was at 220 lbs. two-weeks before the bout, has worked his way down
    to 'fighting weight' by engaging in heavy sparring with Mel 'Elbow Joe' Turnbow,
    and friend Jimmy Ellis at the 5th Street Gym in Miami Beach.

    Everydody hates me claims the young Champion. I thought I was a Champion of Freedom.
    The United States can't get into wars, and then ask me to kill innocent people.

    After the George Chuvalo bout, Cassius Clay was voted 'The Most Hated Athlete in the World'.
     
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  6. Lord Tywin

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    "13,540 fans attended the fight. "The gate for the fight was $120,000," Arum said. "We got $40,000 more for closed-circuit revenues, and $20,000 for foreign rights. Of that $180,000 take, Ali got $90,000, Chuvalo got $35,000 to $40,000. Out of what was left, I paid expenses and my credit card. There was no profit."


    Thats a big difference from losing money. They didnt make money but they didnt lose money either.

    Chuvalo wasnt 'drubbed' by Terrell, he was outpointed in a competetive fight. Another big difference. Leave the hyperbole at the door when trying to draw your conclusions.
     
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  7. Wass1985

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    How could it have started as a rematch between Terrel and Ali, when Ali fought Chuvalo before Earnie!
     
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  8. Longhhorn71

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    TERRELL VS CHUVALO:

    referee: Sammy Luftspring 72-65 | judge: Fred Nobert 73-65 | judge: Billy Burke 69-65

    15 rd fight.....7, 8, & 4 point difference.

    The Octopus doing what it knows best.
     
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  9. Lord Tywin

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    I mispoke. It started out as an Ali-Terrell MATCH.
     
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  10. Lord Tywin

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    A big points spread doesnt necessarily mean a guy took a beating, or that he was even uncompetetive.

    Theoretically you can lose every single round by a whisker in a highly competetive fight and on the cards look like you werent even it. But you know this, and so does everyone else here.
     
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  11. Senor Pepe'

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    The Associated Press,

    November 1, 1965

    Ernie Terrell fought with his left hand 'only', and scored with is 'stingy' jab from the opening bell.

    The 6' 6" Terrell drew blood, and cut Chuvalo above both eyes. The left eye required
    '10' stiches to repair after the bout.

    Referee...........72-65 (10-3-2 in Rounds)
    Judge.............73-65 (10-2-3 in Rounds)
    Judge.............69-65 (9-5-1 in Rounds)

    George should be given 'credit' for fighting a courageous battle, but he was
    beaten from Nova Scotia to Vancouver.

    This from a guy, who threw only a couple of right hands for the entire bout.
     
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  12. TheGreatA

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    Chuvalo gave Ali one of his tougher challenges during his first reign. He didn't win many rounds but as always Chuvalo worked the body and hung in tough all the way.

    The whole fight:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhBnojRQQM[/ame]


    Combinations such as the one around 15:45 bounced off Chuvalo's jaw all night.

    Of course, as we know, his ability to take a punch was overrated due to briefly slipping against Bonavena.
     
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  13. Lord Tywin

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    But we all know now that Pepe has enlightened us that Corletti, Spencer, and Lincoln were far more deserving and would have put up a much stiffer opposition.
     
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  14. Senor Pepe'

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    I don't think anyone would doubt that,

    In March 1966 - a hard-punching 'crazy-nate' like Amos 'Big Train' Lincoln
    versus Cassius Clay would have been a more exciting bout in Oakland or
    Las Vegas, than George Chuvalo in Toronto.

    And a 'young and fast' Thad Spencer versus Cassius in San Francisco
    would have been better than a 1966 'Love Festival' in Haight-Ashbury.

    And what would have been better than Clay vs. Corletti in Roma, at the
    Pallazzetto del Sport.

    Sorry, Cassius Clay versus George Chuvalo was strictly 'Grade-B' material on a
    good day.
     
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  15. Senya13

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    Rather based on film of Chuvalo and Lyle against the same opponent, which of them took more of the same kind of punches before getting badly hurt.
     
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