Cassius Clay vs George Chuvalo 'A Toronto Bust'

I just posted up the Terrell vs Chuvalo official scores.....you can interpret the results as you want.

 

Chuvalo wasn't stopped by Ali.

Both were stopped by Foreman, and there's not too much glory in Lyle going out with his face first on the canvas.

 

I dont have to interpret it, Ive seen it. Or do you want to sit here and split hairs and deny that Chuvalo was competetive when no other expert would agree with you outside of Pepe who thinks he was "drubbed".

 

I thought Chuvalo did a terrific job against the superior Terrell. The cards were way too wide.

That said, that bout also proved beyond much doubt how his fight with Ali would go. The champion was going to score at will. Hard to win a title fight when you don't have a ton of power and you block shots with your face.

 

Chuvalo did test Ali's body. If the champion had been more fragile than he turned out to be, perhaps it would've been a better night for Chuvalo. He looked like a tank shipping the kind of punishment that he did while continuing to plod forward.

He would've probably been a nightmare to face in a fight to the finish.

A fighter like Chuvalo, despite suffering some bad losses, could always occasionally expose a pretender among the contenders. You couldn't overlook him and lose focus, as Jerry Quarry found out.

I never thought that coming off a loss should automatically write off a challenger, especially during eras when boxers fought more frequently and even more especially when the challenger in question was a late substitute for a better one in Terrell.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

As usual.. looks like your one interpretation is good for one interpretation....kinda like at Baskin Robbins when they call your individual number.

 

So I take it you think Terrell-Chuvalo was a one sided win for Terrell and that Chuvalo was not competetive?

 

The Washerwoman walked up the ring steps before fight, and walked down the ring steps after 15 rounds. He was not carried out.

During that time frame, the official ring judges ruled him a loser by seven, eight, & 4 points.

 

When you want to compare two things, put them in the same testing conditions. Lyle had done much better than Chuvalo in the chin department in the fight vs George Foreman.
Ali fights have nothing to do with this, he only had mediocre punching power and could wear people down by slapping them a million times.

 

Way to dodge the question. I'll assume that since your being coy you dont want to admit that Chuvalo was competetive. :roll:

 

Fights with Ali are a similar testing condition. Ali rocked Lyle with one punch and stopped him, he couldn't stop Chuvalo in two fights. Quarry also rocked Lyle, it was Chuvalo who rocked Quarry in their fight.

To say that Lyle displayed a better ability to take a punch than Chuvalo against Foreman is open for speculation, as it was Lyle who was downed twice and went out face first on the canvas while Chuvalo ended the fight still protesting.

 

Like I said before, it's on film. Chuvalo was badly hurt (his legs gave out under him, had it not been for the ropes, he would have fallen; and not attempting to throw even one punch back the remainder of the time was an obvious sign that he didn't get back to his senses even though he was able to stay on his feet) after receiving one clean punch to the chin from Foreman, he wasn't weakened by previous punches or anything, one punch, Chuvalo badly hurt. Lyle was hit by a series of four or five very similar punches to the chin before his legs gave out under him. See around 1:30 of the 4th round. And he was weakened somewhat already by Foreman's punches during the 3.5 rounds before that, while Chuvalo was still fresh and not hurt by anything during the previous 2.5 rounds. You do the math.

 

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His legs gave out for a moment yet he was able to take some of Foreman's best shots immediately after. I see this as nothing but another proof of what a great chin he had. Foreman was hitting him the way he hit those dented heavy bags yet was unable to put him down. And Chuvalo did throw punches back, only a moment after initially getting caught.