Cassius CLAY vs. Muhammad ALI for the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF HISTORY!

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  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    The 22 yr old Clay that fought Liston in 1964, or the slightly heavier, 32 yr old Ali that fought Foreman in 1974.

    Who wins?
     
    El Cepillo, Jun 30, 2009
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  2. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ali,experience over youth this time round.
     
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  3. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cassius Clay.
     
    kosaros, Jun 30, 2009
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  4. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clay was too fast for Ali, and just as tough.
     
    FlatNose, Jun 30, 2009
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  5. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    Ali was a level ahead of the inexperienced Clay.....
     
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  6. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Well, the younger Clay still would have the same sturdy chin and power while being much quicker of hand and foot and far more mobile. It all points to Clay being the fav, though with Ali's experience he could set some traps for Clay.
     
    smitty_son408, Jun 30, 2009
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  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I actually think the fleet footed 22 yr old Clay would school the Ali that fought Foreman. Clay was to quick, movement was too good.
     
    El Cepillo, Jun 30, 2009
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  8. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hmm, the poll was at 2-0 to Ali, before I said and voted for Clay and now Clay is winning - post counts do count towards something ;)
     
    kosaros, Jun 30, 2009
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  9. snipe200

    snipe200 Active Member Full Member

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    :goodGotta agree with that, Pre-exile I would favor him over almost every HW in the history of the division, almost perfection.
     
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  10. icyhush

    icyhush What's on your mind? Full Member

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    i have Clay winning here by a decision.
     
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  11. elTerrible

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    It seems like Ali's chin got better though. He was almost KOed by cooper but look how much punishment he was able to take against fraizer
     
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  12. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    the extra weight made his chin far better.....

    i`m actually surprised Clay is winning....
     
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  13. kosaros

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    Would chins be the difference though? Obviously Clay could stand up to the punches of Ali and vice-versa.

    That (which is pretty much irrelevant) and experience are the only things Ali has over Clay.
     
    kosaros, Jun 30, 2009
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  14. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali
     
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  15. thesham01

    thesham01 Undisputed Champion Full Member

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    Ali's speed in 1974 was not so slow that Clay would make a fool of him, plus Ali's experience and ring genius was in full flight in '74

    i just feel these ring smarts would get the job done over speed and youth..... plus a better chin means a Henry Cooper moment is not on the cards, whereas it is for Clay....
     
    thesham01, Jun 30, 2009
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