Cassius X: Becoming Ali documentary

Oh I agree. He had the resources and the privileges to not have to. Props to him. Just don't tell me he's a hero for doing so

 

How did he have the resources and privileges? He was stripped of his title, had his passport taken away, and couldn't practice his trade for three and one half years, which would have been his prime. The hearing officer who interviewed his friends and family in Louisville said his opposition to the war was sincere and was born out of religious conviction. The government rejected his findings to make an example of him. In the best American tradition he challenged his conviction for refusing to be inducted in court and won. He didn't get a deferment to go to college. He didn't run to Canada. He stayed and fought.

 

Your ascertain of vietnamese people as "people of color" is perplexing.
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Fair enough....so you consider guys like Joe Louis, Billy Conn, Marciano, Ray Robinson, and Barney Ross fools for fighting for America despite not being attacked?

 

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on us the next day. And I respect people who served and people who didn't serve.

“War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today.”

-John F. Kennedy
35th president and Purple Heart recipient

 

He never served one day in jail, despite the historical narrative perpetrated by the Bert Sugars of the world.
He fell back on celebrity status and privilege to survive the draft. Props to him for doing so. If I were in his shoes I can't say I would do otherwise (though I like to think I would)...
But to suggest that he was out there representing poor and oppressed people who were actually overseas fighting is Ludacris

 

True they did ..... But US involved against is looked down upon as racist 80 years later.
Same cant be said for the Nazis, who never actually attacked us

 

This is the third time you make my point for me. You see, its fanatics like yourself that distort the label "The Greatest of all time" that Ali self proclaimed himself to be then everyone just repeated not knowing why. Is it because he is a boxer or because he was an activist or both. 99% of people repeat Ali is the GOAT but everyone has a different reason why or don't know why at all. Everyone's drinking the same Kool aid.
I'm a purest so I could care less if he shook hands with Ronald Mc Donald or the drug fiend Prince. I could care less about his
religion, politics or who makes the best cheese omelet.
Sure, I enjoy learning backstories or upbringings of athletes but it doesn't change the facts of the fighters accomplishments inside the ring which is what matters to a purest like myself.
I asked you to point out just 1 book about Ali that only speaks of his accomplishments as an athlete and you cant even name 1 book yet you say there is more books written about Ali than anyone in history? That's pathetic to say the least.
Ali being the Goat as a boxer is subjective. Everything else to me is irrelevant.

You cant compare an entrepreneur to an activist that used the freedoms his country blessed him with to destroy those exact same freedoms.

 

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When you say the greatest of all time is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. Quite a claim to make, but as Muhammad Ali once said, ‘it’s not bragging if you can back it up,’ ” Bush said. “And this man backed it up.”

-President George W. Bush

And we already established he was one of boxing's greats:

He beat six members of the International Boxing Hall Of Fame, virtually cleaned out his division in two different decades, and beat two consensus top ten all time great heavyweights and one bubble top ten heavyweight.


* The fact he beat a 1956 Olympic Gold Medalist and a 1976 Olympic Gold Medalist epitomizes the remarkable arc of his storied career.

P.S. It's ironic you calling me a fanatic when it's your raison d'etre to denigrate a dead man.

 

Bush, really? Well if came from one of the biggest war criminals of our countries history then without a doubt it must mean something special. What a joke. If you want to continue with the reaching all the way to Bush then it only shows your a true fanatic.
To answer your second question.. well lets see.. Ali is the most Divisive athlete of all time. like a true activist Ali used the Freedom of speech, freedom of Protest and Freedom of Religion to divide and destroy.

 

You said he destroyed our freedoms What freedoms did he destroy? You use activist as a pejorative. Martin Luther King was an activist. Malcolm X was an activist. Frederick Douglass was an activist. Nelson Mandela was an activist

And you keep saying he was divisive when he was adored by billions.

And you call me a fanatic when your raison d'etre is to denigrate one man.

 

I did not say destroyed, I said destroy. Maybe I should have added " He attempted to destroy"? Please don't try to start twisting things based off of one word when the point was clear. To be honest that is why I don't post as much as I would like on the forum because everyone is an English's expert or grammar police and or results to 1 word for the basis of the debate.

Malcom and King were pure activist. That's what they breathed, ate, lived , spoke and slept day in and day out. Ali was a professional Boxer who converted to a whole other persona and dodged the war and blah blah blah.
Yet again you prove my point for the 4th time. Go back to my very first post and I said its not a fair argument when talking about Ali.

 

Im not trying to denigrate one man. I'm only speaking the truth. Im not drinking the Kool Aid.

 

You're speaking your truth.

 

Actually I'm just speaking through the eyes of a boxing purest. My truth has nothing to do with it.

 

You're hanging your head om a silly moniker- the Greatest Of All Time. For the record Ali said he's not the greatest, God's the greatest. But man could he fight .

There are almost as many opinions as there are boxing purists, are there not?