Catch weight fights. It DOES matter if you're forced to lose one or two pounds

I like how this discussion is about PBF and Pac catchweight fights.

As if boxing never existed before these two fighters.

Good job guys. good job.

 

2 f'n pounds. who gives a **** and quit using that as an excuse.

 

I guess people forgot to tell Miguel Cotto he was suppossed to have problems with the weight that he offered Manny he would come down to or to tell people it affected him.

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Nice piece of info. According to this Pac lost more inches in his arm length than he gained weight in 6 months. :yep

 

numbers don't lie, according to Floyd Mayweather Jr. though..:twisted:

 

He lost one pound. He weighed in at 145 against Judah not that long ago, and 146 for his previous fight. He said he felt great at the weight. What is he lying?

 

If it didn't matter they wouldn't have asked for it. Simple as that.

 

no one twisted cottos arm to agree. im sick of every fighter who "drains" himself using that as an excuse. dont take the damn fight.....gain a few pounds and fight a bigger guy.... wahhhhhh :|

 

A few pounds does matter. Evidence is in Guzman-Funeka 1 and 2. The sad thing is Cotto let his ego cloud his judgment. The reason why he took the fight at catchweight so easily is beyond me. Maybe it was the money that got him to compromise. Only he knows. He seems to think cutting weight would not be a problem when it is and it was. I don't take anything away from Pac. He fought well. However I'm not completely sold on his status as this unbelievable force that cannot be stopped at 140-147. I think a good portion of his recent success is smoke and mirrors. I hate to sound like a skeptical *****. But styles make fights. At one point I thought Duran, Trinidad, Tyson, and all the other stone-fisted beasts who were on a mean winning streak were unstoppable until they ran into a skilled, slick boxer. If Pac beats Floyd, which I give him a great chance at accomplishing, I become a believer in this God they call Pacquiao.

 

Man this topic is getting old...
Anyone who thinks that 1-2lb made any difference is just grasping at straws. Firstly, it's not unusual for fighters come in officially 1-2lbs under the limit anyways. On fight night after being rehydrated, the difference is even less significant. If you look bad during the fight, you would probably have looked bad even if you had those extra 2lbs at weigh-in. You don't train for 2-3 months to have 2lbs affect your conditioning. If you look bad, it's because your training failed.
Secondly, do people seriously think Roach, Pac, etc wanted ONLY 2lbs? No, they wanted it at 143 which would have made more of a difference, but Cotto didn't agree, so they settled for 145 because Cotto was confortable with it. Infact a quick google gave me a source:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4341913

"Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs), a titleholder at 147 pounds, had agreed to drop below the welterweight limit for the fight. Pacquiao, the 140-pound junior welterweight champion, wanted him to come all the way down to 143 pounds. Cotto refused. Ultimately, they agreed on a 145-pound maximum weight."

Yes it was a ***** move by Team Pac, but they were already negotiating for 143. If they took it to 147 it would have looked like they were conceding and didn't have any bargaining power. Think about when you bargain for a car. If you 've already asked for a lower price, you're not going to agree to the ticket price.

 

I used to wrestle in highschool. Cutting weight is absolutely no joke. Limiting your food supply while training your ass off puts you at a disadvantage vs someone who can eat as much as they want. Or more, giving them the energy to be able to train as hard as they want without there body weakening during training. Especially during that last week. But thats not what hurt Cotto in terms of disadvantage as you usually still eat good well into training and probably around the last 2 weeks do you probably seriously focus on cutting those pds that just don't want to go. Though you should have lost a good amount of weight just off training and eating healthy. The killer for Cotto was the rehydration clause that stated he couldn't rehydrate past 147 just like DLH. Without that clause Cotto would have probably gained 8pds in rehydration. His body would have felt better on fight night, his legs would have been way stronger, his punches would have been more powerfull. Then to face a guy who didn't have to cut any weight on top of that with full energy and power.

At 140 Cotto used to love to come to fight night way heavier then his opponents and crush the smaller guys with his power.

Pac and Hatton at 140 was a fare playing field as they both had to cut to get down to 140. Hatton used to be known for having a walk around weight of like 160 or something like that.

 

Training wise there is no disadvantage for Pac coming up in weight. They only disadvantage is fighting bigger stronger opponents. But if your taking away that advantage with rehydration clauses then there really is no disadavantage at all and actually you have the slight advantage.

Even if you say it levels the playing field thats fine, but it also reduces the achievement. You can't on one hand say its a level playing field then on the other hand praise Pac for defying odds as there were no odds just a level playing field.

 

Great post.

 

atsch And the '**** Of The Week Award goes to...

The title of this thread is:

"Catch weight fights. It DOES matter if you're force to lose one or two pounds"

I'll repeat the significant part there:

"one or two pounds"

Now for the science bit...


Guzman-Funeka 1:

Guzman weighs 134 1/2, Funeka weighs 133 3/4

Difference between them: 3/4 pound

Result: A draw, that was really a competitive win for Funeka


Guzman-Funeka 2:

Guzman weighs 144, Funeka weighs 135

Difference between Guzman's weight in 1st fight + in 2nd fight: 9 1/2lbs

Difference between them on the night: 9lbs

Result: Clear win for Guzman in another competitive fight



Why Gyll wins the '**** of the Week Award:

The thread is about "1 or 2 pounds", and Gyll references a fight where the crucial change and difference in weight was 9lbs.

Relevance: None

'**** Factor: Extremely high


Congratulations!!! :happy