Catch-weights. Good or bad. No riding the fence

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by shortydee, Jul 20, 2015.


  1. shortydee

    shortydee Active Member Full Member

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    I personally like catch weights.

    They make fights like Pac 140 vs Cotto 147 doable. (145)
    Cotto 154 vs Martinez 160 (159)
    Mayweather 147 Canelo 154 (152)
    Mayweather 147 Marquez 140 (144) though Mayweather blew it off cuz he could
    GGG 160 vs Cotto 157 (155)
    GGG 160 vs Canelo 175 (155)
    Rigo 122 vs Loma 126 (124/125)
    Ward 168 vs Smith 168 (172) Comeback fight, taking it easy not wanting to boil down
    BHOP 174 vs Pavlik 160 (169)
    BHOP 174 vs GGG (169)
    Ward 168 vs GGG (164/166/168) depending on split and re-hydration clause

    Im not against CWs. It allows for guys to fight the best in their neighboring divisions with compromising too much or conceding too much. Levels the playing field a bit while not allowing one guy to be too big or the other guy to completely drain the opponent b/c theyre the bigger draw.

    Now, sure Canelo was completely drained. But it's his own fault for campaigning a LMW when he is clearly a LARGE MW boiling down.
    It was wholly Dawsons fault for thinking himself so great as to come to 168 to fight the very best in the division at that time.

    So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    If Floyd and Pac can do it. If Cotto and Canelo can do it. If Rigo and Lomachenko can do it. If Ward and and BHOP can do it, Im cool with GGG doing it. Im cool if Huck challenges Wilder at 220.

    Point is. Its good for boxing and has the potential for great fights to come forth from them
    GGG vs Bhop or Ward.
    GGG vs Canelo or Cotto
    Mayweather vs Mathysee
    Pacqioua vs Crawford

    Plenty of great CW fights to be made.

    Im particlualy aggravated by the current Lomachenko Rigonduaex negotiations.

    Rigo is prepared to come all the way to 126 for the fight. 4 lbs N of his comfortable weight.
    All he asks is that Lomachenko doesn't bloat up to 135 to try to push him around.
    If Loma doesnt make this fight. ITS a BLATANT DUCK.

    If Ward doesnt counter GGGs 164 offer, it's a BLATANT DUCK.

    If GGG ignores BHOPs offer......BLATANT DUCK.

    Catchweights exist in boxing. And while we definetely have enough wieght classes as some will argue, you can't always fight the best of the best inside your own weight class, even if their your mandatory.

    DUCKS exist in boxing.

    Fact is, CWs allow for MORE greats to get together. And sometimes theres little detriment, other times, moreso. But you gotta roll the dice sometimes to say your the best of your era.

    Ball is in Lomas, Wards, and GGGs court.

    Props to Shawn Porter for showing his huevos and overcoming the odds. Here is a big LMW, already fighting S of his best wieght class, boiling off an additional 4 lbs just make the biggest possible fight.

    Not only did he do so, but he did so well, that he's gotten his name right back into the mix after his recent porr showing agaisnt Brook.

    Hella props to Showtime Shawn. Putting CLand back on the map.:deal:deal:deal
     
  2. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Hate catchweights... It's extremely rare that I find a fight with a catchweight that I don't mind.
     
  3. shortydee

    shortydee Active Member Full Member

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    So you'd prefer guys like Loma to wait out Rigo to move N, or GGG to wait for Canelo.
    Kovalev might never get Ward without conceding 2 lbs.

    I think theyre a necessary evil, and allow ATGs to fight other ATGs in the middle.

    GGG vs Ward at 166
    Ward vs Kovalev at 172
    GGG vs BHOP at 168/169
    Loma vs Rigo 124
     
  4. Matt in a hat

    Matt in a hat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There is only a few lbs. between most weight classes anyway.
    They were made so that catchweights would not need to exist.
    Corruption is why they exist now plain, and simple.
     
  5. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux is the only one I wouldn't mind (Rigo is a small dude, Loma doesn't look like he'd have to kill himself to make 124, Rigondeaux never expressed any interest fighting north of 122 anyway).

    In all others no catchweight is needed, the fighters should just move up. They are mostly used to drain and get an unfair advantage for the more politically connected fighters, that's the problem...
     
  6. shortydee

    shortydee Active Member Full Member

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    Lomachenko has never fought below 126 that Im aware.

    He's not a giant SFW, but it's no less a concession than Ward going down 2-4 lbs to meet GGG who would be coming up 4-6 lbs.

    Neithers titles would be at stake, and they'd both safely go back to dominating their perspective divisions.

    Canelo is already weighing 5-7 lbs more than GGG, yet GGG and K2 have openly agreed to fight him at any weight in which the WBC MW title would be on the line, ie 154.1 if that's what it took.

    I think if a fighter is willing to go down he the the greater overall fighter, in terms of HUEVOS. Showing he has less fear of being drained. More confident in his skills.

    I don't think Lomachenko is confident enough in his skills to venture S of 126.
    Nor do I think Ward is confident enough in his skill to fight below his wieght class of 168.

    GGG obviously has the MOST confidence in his own, willing to go N or S to make the best fights vs the elites above and below him.

    Sadly his potential foes are not so confident in their skills.

    BHOP obviously has shown the greatest confidence. :thumbsup
     
  7. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I don't mind them as long as titles are not on the line. If a fighter wants to win a belt, it should be at the actual weight.
     
  8. shortydee

    shortydee Active Member Full Member

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    What if said fighter is willing to concede to the mimimum weight for that class.

    For instance....when Canelo KOs Cotto at 155, should Canelo be forced to fight at his most natural current weight in defense of that title, ie 160, or should he be allowed to drag GGG down to a weight he has not fought at, ie 154.1, where it is still, TECHNICALLY A MW TITLE FIGHT.

    I believe due to the immense gap in skills, power, chin, stamina, and I mean immense GAP, Canelo should be allowed every possible advantage vs GGG.

    Its only fair. Even though Canelo is the naturally bigger man, GGG hasnt ever boiled down, and Canelo is comfortable in doing so.

    It's the only way he survives 3 rds with GGG.

    Levels/ And GGG is so clearly on that higher level than Canelo.:think
     
  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm tired of them. Way too common now, there's already a ton of weight divisions and now it's just a way to "win" at the negotiations table.
     
  10. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why "going up" and "going down" are 2 different options?

    CW sucks but shouldn't matter which way they're making weight.
     
  11. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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  12. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    so fanboys can't defend Lomachenko Rigo, GGG, ward, Canelo Cotto etc, when they're very clearly applying double standards to fighters they dislike.

    Makes perfect sense to me
     
  13. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Catchweights are fine. AS LONG AS THERE'S NO TITLE ON THE LINE. If Ward and GGG want to have a one-off to see who's the best man; I'm all for it as a fan, but why should Ward's 168 lb. title be on the line with a weight limit of 164lbs? IS GGG's title going to be up as well?
     
  14. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    they suck, because they always favor one of the guys in the ring, never both
     
  15. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    You said it.

    If a long reigning super middle champ and a long reigning light heavy champ want to meet at 172, for example, I get it.